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Aces

10-06-2003 08:27:32




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I read with some interest the post about N front Vs wide fronts. I do think all missed the point of the question. I would think when the row crops came out they did not think much roll overs and were thinking about mounting equipment and a corn picker would be hard to mount on wide front and the first cultavators would not mount with wide front. I did see a Vermeer 4 row picker on a 5020 JD one time with only 15.9 38 tires on the back what they thought that big horse could do with 15.9 tires I will never know, but then an H cold out work any 5020 I ever saw.

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Mark A. McCall

10-11-2003 20:40:41




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 Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to Aces, 10-06-2003 08:27:32  
There are advantages and disadvantages to both narrow (see "Tricycle") & wide front ends. I have a Super A, a Super C w/ wide front (pretty rare for Northern Georgia) w/ a Woods belly-mounted finishing mower, an H Farmall (w/ two wheel narrow front), a 350 Diesel Farmall (w/ two wheel narrow front)a 424 International and, as of yesterday, a 706 Farmall Gas w/ a tricycle front end. I grew up on a cotton farm, operating various models of Farmalls and Internationals and found that while the tricycle front end is not necessarily the safest tractor for things such as "bush hogging," a tricycle front end is IDEAL for turning around at the ends of rows of cultivated crops. Around here, farmers have begun using much larger equipment, terrace less, and few (if any) terrace and cultivate crops the way I grew up planting and plowing in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Specifically, you see very few short little rows in fields any more. If I am driving my H or 350D, I can lock either side brake while turning the steering wheel hard and turn 180 degrees, literally pivoting on a back tire, and turn into another set of rows. VERY hard to do the same thing w/ a wide front end tractor, like my Super A or Super C w/ wide front or my 424 International. In a small garden, a tractor like an A or Super A will have to be "wiggled around" to turn around. Like I said, advantages /disadvantages to each type set up, but a tricycle is great for sharp turns while cultivating! Remember, the early Farmall Regulars were designed w/ row crop farmers in mind, and most had narrow front ends in the 1930's and '40's. As agriulture changed, more tractors began appearing w/ wide fronts.

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Hugh MacKay

10-08-2003 20:03:04




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 Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to Aces, 10-06-2003 08:27:32  
Aces: The narrow front end was around at most companies 10 to 15 years before the mounted corn picker.

My dad used narrow fronts for years and never grew corn or had a cultivator or a corn picker, but I have seen him take his wide front off and put the narrow on to bale hay with. I don't think we missed the point as we were not discussing why they were built but rather the stability compared to wide front. Guess who's missing the point.

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CNKS

10-06-2003 18:19:28




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 Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to Aces, 10-06-2003 08:27:32  
I think you have your JD numbers mixed up. JD 5020 probably has about 90 hp, as a 4020 has about 80, 3020 70. I have a Super H and an H, grew up on an H, have spent considerable time on JD 3020's and 4020's. I like Farmall, but those JDs were good tractors. Competition for the 4020 is probably a Farmall 806. Not that familiar with the 60's Farmalls. H had 25hp. The 5020 probably had 16.9's on it, no such thing as a 15.9, the "normal" size is probably 18.4--up.

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Aces

10-06-2003 20:08:47




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 Re: Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to CNKS, 10-06-2003 18:19:28  
The 5020 with the 4 row mounted corn picker had 15.5 38 tires on it I did say 15.9 but did intend to say 15.5 and I do know what JD I was talking about. Never saw 1 on a dyno that impress me much.



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Farmall450man

10-06-2003 10:13:19




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 Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to Aces, 10-06-2003 08:27:32  
Aces, I think a lot of us understand that almost everything was different when the H's & M's were designed in the mid '30s. Most farms were well under 320 acres. There were still a lot of horses and mules in use. Bigger was not viewed as better, just more expensive. Steel wheels were the norm. Most speeds were under 4mph. Corn was still picked by hand in some areas and there were a lot of pull type pickers. Corn was put in a crib and shelled on a nice winter day when it had dried by mother nature. Tires weren't as durable. You can run with one tire flat on a narrow front end, it's a little harder to do on a wide front. Power steering didn't exist. Most farms had fences and turning radius was a big issue. Most farmers were used to implements sized for a pair of horses or mules, which were converted for use with a tractor. Wide front ends just weren't near as big a deal as they are today. Hugh is right, there isn't that much of an advantage with a wide front for roll over protection. Most people get in trouble when a rear wheel or an implement drops off into a ditch or when they are going too fast down an incline. Inertia is a huge factor when tipping a tractor. All that aside, pto shafts and moving parts probably claimed more lives than tractor roll overs.

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Jimmy King

10-06-2003 11:19:50




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 Re: Re: Nerrow front ends in reply to Farmall450man, 10-06-2003 10:13:19  
tractors flipping over backward is a much bigger deal usally fatal because of the quickness.



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