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carl

02-23-2004 12:13:35

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About how much should it cost to replace a clutch in a 504? I got a quote from a local dealer and he said about 10-12 hours labor plus parts. With a $58 shop rate, I'm guessing the total would be near $1000.

Is replacing the clutch something beyond the capabilities of a weekend mechanic? I've never split a tractor and am not sure how I would go about doing it. Is there anything anyone could recommend reading? Or should I just grit my teach, take out a loan and pay for the clutch.

Thanks.

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02-23-2004 19:18:16

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

Hi Carl, in the last 3 years I have helped my brother replace clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing and release bearing on 454, 495 and 684.
The cost for parts was about $350 CDN for remanufacture clutch and pressure plate plus bearings. The 684 required the flywheel to be turned and it cost $50 at the local machine shop.
Takes us about 6 hrs. When I was at IH dealer picking up the parts, there was an X IH mechanic there that now works out of his truck and does farm calls, he told me he could do the clutch job on a 684 in 4 hrs.
We use 1 bottle jack and 1 floor jack. Everyone has made excellent suggestions on the procedure.

If you decide to do this job yourself be careful.

Good luck
JB

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Farmall Daddy

02-23-2004 17:24:21

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

When we removed the motor of our Farmall M, all we had was a bottle jack, a 12' 4X4 board, and an engine hoist. There was only 3 of us, but we had it out within 2 1/2 hours. We removed all the sheetmetal and the head before we did any spliting. We hooked the motor hoist onto 2 studs in the head, put the bottle jack under the bell housing as close to the split as possible, jacked the jack up a little to relieve pressure, put a little pressure on the engine hoist, removed the bolts that hold the motor into the bell housing, took one side of the frame totally off the tractor, unbolted the other frame off the front, and rolled the front end to the other end of the shop out of the way. We then used the 4x4 to balance the tractor, and rolled it back enough so the motor would clear the bell housing. That's how we did it, and from the work that it took to do that, I think that there would be an easier way, lol. Good luck with it!!

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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 15:56:27

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

Carl: That is right after reading Gary's post, just where are you anyway. Unless you are a Pa Kettle I will take the whole family out to dinner,

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carl

02-24-2004 06:24:25

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Re: Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-23-2004 15:56:27

I am located in central Illinois, near Peoria. The tractor is a wide front end, so it sounds like the process of splitting is a little easier.

I guess I would rather have someone else do the job, but I didn't have good feelings about the particular dealership to begin with and after hearing their estimate about the hours required to split the tracor and do the clutch and what everyone else has said here, it hasn't improved my feelings. I may call around to see if there is someone that will do it more reasonably.

Thanks for your help.

Carl.

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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2004 07:02:02

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Re: Re: Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-24-2004 06:24:25

Carl: I live in SW Ontario, like I said if I were close by, and I know and you know You can help with this, you just don't want to tackle it on your own. There has to be guys on here that would help and show you for the next time. Old tractors are only feasable when you learn to do it your self.

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Gary

02-23-2004 15:50:49

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

Well I do it a little different. I made some screw tops for my jack stands and bolt them to the side rails of the tractor as close to the split point as possible. This will not matter if it is wide front or narrow. Put a good floor jack and support the rear half as close to the split point as possible. Then roll the back half away from the front. The large rear tires are good leverage to control this. I push a little on one tire and block it. then the other, and so on.
I don't know where you live, but, for a grand, I will p/u and del and put the clutch in and take you out to dinner too!! Gary

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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 15:18:13

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

Carl: I see my nane being mentioned here. The pallet and jack work great on wide front tractors. I have done tractors as large as 560 and 656. You just place wedges in the pivot of front axle, block up to the axle and on side rails at rear of engine. You must use a good hardwood pallet and tie the whole front of tractor down to blocking and pallet with tie down ratchet straps. All you need for back is lock brakes clalk wheels for safety and use a bottle jack under clutch housing.

That isn't quite so simple on a narrow front tractor. I can see removing front wheels and blocking front end fore and aft. Tie it tight with ratchet straps. The beauty of having the front end on the pallet jack is going back together you have absolute control. I have put 560 together all by myself. Just make sure floor is smooth where the jack has to operate. I can do a 130 in about 4 hours by myself. Being able to handle the entire front of tractor in one piece, and with ease is the secret. The mechanical work is quite straight foreward.

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rustyfarmall

02-23-2004 13:27:27

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

The only part that sounds really bad is the estimated 10-12 hours. Several years ago I worked for a John Deere dealer, the flat rate for time for replacing a clutch on a JD 4020 was only 6 hours, and yes, it could be easily done in that amount of time. A 504 is quite a bit smaller and lighter than a 4020, there is no reason in the world it should take any more than 6 hours to complete this job.

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Randy in NE

02-23-2004 12:30:44

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Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to carl, 02-23-2004 12:13:35

You would want to be a "good" weekend mechanic. The rear half is not much of a problem. Just a couple of blocks and either a floor jack or a bottle jack. The front half gets a little more complicated. With a wide front end you can put blocks on either side of the front end to keep it from tilting from side to side. Then you need to jack up the back of the motor. Either the front half or the back half will have to be capable of rolling. Hugh MacKay described months ago of using a pallet jack and some cribbing to roll half of the tractor around. I good splitting stand would be the best way. That will bolt to both sides of the motor and provide support for the back of the engine plus it will keep it from tilting to the left or right. If you are unsure of your capabilities you would probably be $$$ ahead to take it to a capable mechanic.

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carl

02-23-2004 12:56:30

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Re: Re: Cost to Replace Clutch in 504 in reply to Randy in NE, 02-23-2004 12:30:44

Thanks Randy. I appreciate your advice. Does $1000 sound high for a clutch?

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