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GS

03-02-2004 16:25:08




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What do you guys have to say about hydro tractors? I heard they were no good for tillage just planting? Are they ok for baling hay?

Just trying to get an opinion---THANKS




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deano

03-03-2004 17:48:32




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
conservatively....i think we baled 100,000+ square bales 1000+ big rounds plowed/planted/hauled manure/seeded for close to over 30 years with 656 hydro. we bought it used in 70's sold in early 90's...i blew hydro out (not because of overwork)...small hp but did alot for us.....



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Aces

03-03-2004 05:18:08




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
TP is right my brother had a 100 Hydro with the 436 and a turbo on it. Befor he had the 100 he had a 4010, after the hydro he could not understand why he evey had the 4010. I would like to see a hydro in a forklift would be much then what they have know and have had for years.



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TP from Central PA

03-03-2004 11:21:07




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 Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Aces, 03-03-2004 05:18:08  
I also have to add that 186 I spoke of is really nice to plow with in our soils since it can vary ALOT in a 100ft of travel..... ...With the Hydro you can slow down for these areas, and speed up after your past them..... .And make better time IMO. Only a handful of Powershift Deeres in this area, but if they tried that plowing here the operator would probably be thrown off the tractor during the shifts..... ..... ..Actually, I don't know of any older PS equiped Deere that does tillage near me because of that reason.

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Hugh MacKay

03-04-2004 17:32:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to TP from Central PA, 03-03-2004 11:21:07  
TP: In all those 13,000 hours, I can't recall anyone being thrown, bucked off or even kicked by the Deere power shift. In the working gears they are quite smooth, no more jolt than TA in a Farmall. They are a bit of a jump in 7 and 8, but when your in those very convenient to throttle to suit the shift. I will agree there really is no need for complete power shift, 4 manual ranges plus 4 power shifts, if spaced right will work well.

I really don't have a whole lot against a hydro. I looked at them twice when they were new and decided they did not suit my operation. I have had owners tell me they were not very fuel efficient. Most of the hydros sold in my area, I've seen stripped to the bones for a mojor ouerhaul within 5 years. Now these guys were probably doing 800 to 1200 hours per year. How many hours did you say that 186 has on it?

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TP from Central PA

03-03-2004 03:56:50




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
Neighbors have a 186 Hydro they bought new and used it every year to plow with 6-16's other than 5 or 6 years when they needed it for other things..... ..... They WILL pull tillage tools quite well. The biggest secret is to change the hydro filters yearly, and change the Hy-Tran every 2..... ..... .....My neighbors has never been shopped to date. If you ever use one on a baler you'll never want anything else. IMO they even have the Powershifts beat on round balers. Like anything else if you mantain it, it will take care of you..... ..... .

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Hugh MacKay

03-02-2004 19:58:30




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
GS: I will probably get tared and feathered on this Farmall forum for what I have to say, but here goes. I have been a Farmall man all my life, have now owned 16 of them, most bought new or near new. In the mid 1960s I was looking at buying a new 656. I looked long and hard at hydro, and decided it was not for my dairy farm. I already had a 560D gear drive. In the end I bought a 656 gear drive. In 1975 I bought two tractors, 100+ hp. The first one a 1066 gear drive with cab, air and duals. Again I looked awfully hard at a hydro 100. I wanted a tractor for shuttle work and some drawbar field work. I looked at the specs and in particular how much engine it was taking to give horse power. I turned my back on the Farmall for that second tractor and went Deere with a power shift. That machine was hammered on shuttle work from 3 and 4 foreward to reverse, no clutching, just drop the foot accelerator and shift, for more hours than I care to remember. It was only a 100 hp but would lug a 20' disk harrow on 20% less fuel than the 1066. That machine went 13,000 hours to it's first rebuild of engine and transmission. The Deere power shift transmission will cost every bit as much to rebuild as the IH hydro, but it will run 3 times the hours.

Just look at where hydros were sold when new. Wasn't livestock farmers, grain farmers, etc. A full 65% of them went for precission spraying, vegetable seeders and harvesters. What possible advantage could they be on a haybine or a baler. I have baled 4000 to 5000 bales per day with an old Farmall 300, 5 speed with TA for more days than I even care to remember. No my friend unless you have precission work that requires speed changes of 1/10 mph, hydro is just an inefficient way to farm.

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GS

03-03-2004 17:06:42




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 Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-02-2004 19:58:30  
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS!!

I appreciate the help. It seems like its a 50/50 draw on the subject.



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yankton

03-02-2004 23:07:33




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 Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-02-2004 19:58:30  
WE do round bales both haylage and dry. WE also
do small squares. I think the hydros are incredibly well suited for haying; mowing and
especially round baling where it is essential to
baby the core along and also to decrease ground speed on sharp corners in wet grass. We just added a second hydro for next season. We only use gear tractors for tedding and raking and as
fill in on the small square balers. I wouldn't think of pulling a plow with one, though.

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Yankton? - Dan Kelley

03-03-2004 07:00:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to yankton, 03-02-2004 23:07:33  
I assume you mean Yankton, SD, right on the Big Jim (The James) river. The river with the lowest recorded gradient of any river in the world. The river that occasionally starts backing up when it rains. Home of one of the prettiest steel truss bridges in the country. Only about 20 miles from the University of South Dakota.



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yankton

03-03-2004 21:51:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Yankton? - Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:00:51  
wrong Dan, Yankton as in Yankton, Oregon. Home
of hill country where when it rains it USUALLY
backs up every creek and river in the County.
The closest bridge is the Milton Creek Bridge
which is downright ugly and a good two and a half
hours from the University of Oregon.



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kjm

03-02-2004 19:48:08




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
GS We`ve got a good 656H with the loader for sale in Quincy IL.kmartin@marktwain.net



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42FarmallH

03-02-2004 17:37:25




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
Hydros make one heck of a haying and loader tractor, or for general chores. Actual heavy tillage work just destroys the hydro.

Be aware that a rebuild of a hydro that is shot can run upwards of $5000 pretty easily - don't buy a junker!



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jerry

03-02-2004 17:52:43




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 Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to 42FarmallH, 03-02-2004 17:37:25  
Tillage does not destroy a hydro. Had a Hydro 100 for my big tractor as well as PTO work. Must have had two or three thousand hours on it when I traded for something bigger. Neighbor had a 1066 hydro that was used for PTO work and for a period of two or three years for heavy tillage. Pulled a 17 foot chisel plow applying anhydrous and also did all the plowing on 10 quarters pulling an 8-16 plow. It was quite a load but the hydro was never is the shop.

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Cmore

03-02-2004 19:17:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to jerry, 03-02-2004 17:52:43  
WOW...8 16 inch plows with a HYDRO???? Must have been quite a horse. Most gear 1066's I ever saw or operated pulled 6 16's pretty good, but I doubt 8 16's...Cmore



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jerry

03-03-2004 17:14:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Cmore, 03-02-2004 19:17:08  
We were in a nice sandy loam soil area. I pulled 6-16 with my Hydro 100 and I repeat my neighbor pulled 8-16 with a 1066 Hydro. You must remember that soil can vary a lot. Years ago a straight M would pull 4-14's packer and pony drill in third gear plowing about 5 inches deep. It had a full load but I had many many neighbors who did that.



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Hugh MacKay

03-02-2004 18:20:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to jerry, 03-02-2004 17:52:43  
Jerry: What in H%^$ good would 2 or 3 years be. Most of this discussion looks sensible. You best go and check the Nebraska Test results on drawbar horse power re: 1066 gear drive and hydro before you make such rediculous statments.



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jerry

03-03-2004 17:19:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-02-2004 18:20:30  
I simply said I did this for 2 or 3 years and then got a bigger tractor. As far as drawbar horsepower I am very well aware of what they are rated at. My previous post stands.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-02-2004 17:30:36




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
Yes, I just love mine for loader work and baling hay but it is a real dog for field work. I save my 656 gear drive for that.



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RB

03-02-2004 16:59:33




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 Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to GS, 03-02-2004 16:25:08  
You heard right! They're good for barnyard work which is what they were intended to do. Tillage is a no no! Too much heat! Baling would be something it should handle OK.



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Ed

03-03-2004 06:10:06




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 Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to RB, 03-02-2004 16:59:33  
Just waht to chime in. My dad had an 826 hydro. Best tractor I ever used for transplanting vegtables, planting corn and harvesting potatoes. Great PTO HP and the infinatly variable speed transmission was a real time saver.

Tillage work wasn't so good as it lost a lot of HP through the transmission (about 20%-30% of the drawbar hp). It also poped an O ring when using it for an extended time on the disk that cost $$$$ to fix as Hydros aren't really farmer servicable.

A great third tractor for loader, harvesting and light vegtable/corn planter work.

I'd stick to a gear drive for tillage and potato planting though.

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Hugh MacKay

03-05-2004 11:54:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydro Internationals in reply to Ed, 03-03-2004 06:10:06  
Ed: Hydro was probably the very best potato harvester tractor ever. You just feather that hydro to get rid of all the soil just as potatoes reach the box, and you also want the soil for a cushion until they get there. It was truly the vegetable harvester that created the demand for those tractors. Anyone who has ever harvested most vegetables know the true meaning of infinately variable speed.

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