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Dan Kelley

04-13-2004 08:03:50




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I've got 5 acres of essentially desert scrub-land. It's sandy and dusty. I'm looking to build-up the soil with good-stuff. I figure that if I encourage the growth of native grasses and such, I can cut the dust. I assume the local extension office could help direct me to what to add to what I've got. I've got a Farmall M.

The questions are: What implements would best work the good stuff into the soil? Plow? Disk? Something Else? What sizes? Even though it is sand and dust, it is compacted and not loose. How deep should I go? As this is a desert area, got any suggestions as to stuff to add to hold moisture?

Obviously, I'm just looking for excuses to play with my tractor, but I do want to accomplish something at the same time.

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Super hank

04-14-2004 12:01:06




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
I recently read a USDA report on building soils. The best approach was sod or similar ground cover that put down deep roots. sounds obvious but I thought that planting ground cover and plowing back in was the way to build soil. I found the site on google you may want to try it



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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2004 02:29:17




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
Dan: There s really nothing stupid with your plan. I gather you want if possible to establish a sod on this soil. Coming from the east where we have 45" rainfall annually, I'm not even going to attempt to tell you how.

As see it if North Americans don't look after the vegetation on their land better than what is being practiced, we may have a another dust bowl. Even the land that does have sod on it is being mowed of almost weekly, in the name of neatness. All of that mowed land is very suseptable to evaporation.

We have today groups of people wanting to save and preserve just about every endangered species of animal of bird on earth. Yet no gives to much thought to our plants, the only one that will replenish our oxygen. We better think about this one, at the current rate we use oxygen.

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farmallman

04-13-2004 18:00:30




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
There is nothing stupid about wanting to play with ur toy and learn at the same time.



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williamf

04-13-2004 15:22:04




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
Dan, You might want to lurk around (maybe even join if it looks helpful) one of the Gardenweb forums. They've got one on xeriscaping where folks post about just the sort of planting you're asking about.
Wm



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Russ

04-13-2004 14:07:32




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
DK; You have way too much tractor for the arid patch you describe. It is not fuel efficient so I might recommend down sizing to a Farmall A or maybe a Cub.
Your limited water resources and high sunlight factor will always limit almost any crop.
I would wait for a windy day and use a small spike harrow to level a very small patch.
Mark the corners with concrete statuary and keep a log of what grows in this zone naturally.
If nothing grows that is what you should plant.
Good luck.

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Dan Kelley

04-15-2004 14:04:05




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 Re: Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Russ, 04-13-2004 14:07:32  
Hi Russ, Way too much tractor? Didn't think there was such a thing! Hee Hee.

Really, I bought the M because it had a Farmhand front loader. I've been moving structural iron and side-sheets for a steel building. Even with wheel weights, the back of that M gets rather light on the ground when hauling a stack of side sheets. I could not move the roof sheets and didn't try.

So, I figured as long as I had the tractor anyway...

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Nebraska Cowman

04-13-2004 10:01:51




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
dan if it is anything like southwest Nebraska the best thing you can put on your soil is RAIN. Outside of that the only thing that is going to grow is dust and cactus, maybe a soapweed. But dust is not all bad; you don't have to mow it.



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Steve from Mo - long wind

04-13-2004 08:53:32




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
What plants are native to the area? Are some of them desirable? If so, I would recommend trying to grow more of the desirable plants and less of the undesirable.

I am assuming that you currently have a mix of cactus, sage, and pinon pine, with some sort of grass here and there. Each has its place in the desert, and removing any of them would require some compensation to keep what little soil you have in place.

Most real farming in the desert involves irrigation, which requires that you have or can buy water rights. Do you have irrigation facilities on the place? If not, getting them could be costly.

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Dick

04-13-2004 08:49:56




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
Under desert conditions you probably will not be able to build organic matter -- it will burn up (decompose) as fast as you can generate it. Just getting something growing on the surface is probably your best bet.



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Theman

04-13-2004 08:45:58




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 Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 08:03:50  
Dan, if you have poor soil and arid conditions, don't work anything very deep - I'd say 3-4" max. When putting plant matter any deeper with a plow in sand/clay, you're actually bringing poorer soil up on top - in effect, starting over. By the time you get anything re-established enough to use the compost under the surface, it is long gone. So, to answer your question regarding equipment to use with your M: A 6' to 8' disk to scratch and level the ground, a seeder for planting cover crops or to spread dry fertilizer if available, and a pull-behind mower or mounted sickle mower. Keep in mind that since the land isn't already lush with vegetation, it will require more input (time and money) to make it so.

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steveormary

04-13-2004 09:29:44




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 Re: Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to Theman, 04-13-2004 08:45:58  
Dan

Could you contact your county agent for some sort of conservation plan? Where are you located?

steve



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Dan Kelley

04-13-2004 10:12:27




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 Re: Re: Re: City boy showing his stupidity here in reply to steveormary, 04-13-2004 09:29:44  
I'm outside Colorado Springs on the "High Plains." So, it would be El-Paso County.

I like sage a bunch, and I've only got one. They smell great, and they grow best when you leave them alone. I would love to get more started. (Any hints out there?)

Very little yucca, thank goodness. They're a pain, literally, and they spread very fast.

Many of the little leaf-ear cactus. I like those, and would transplat them before working an area. They're easy to work with. I did this when putting in my barn. Gotta watch where you walk, because of the little seed-pod-sticker things.

I've never messed with Pinion Pine. I've got none on the property. Can you give me more info on them? Good wind break? Draught tolerant?

6' or 8' disk. Run it very shallow. OK. Dry fertilizer. I assume I would need go easy on the fertilizer, to avoid burning in our low moisture conditions. Seeder. OK, I'm with you. A nearby feed store has draught-tolerant grasses available. I'll bet they would have some advice, too.

There is a little Case VA nearby that needs an engine, but has a sickle-bar. It really needs a home. Can't have too many tractors. :-) I could also do my ditches. There was an H up the road with a sickle bar, but I really don't trust the seller.

Finally, and most importantly... THANK YOU! Feel free to contact me via e-mail if you get more ideas. I can use all the help I can get.

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bigf fred

04-13-2004 12:03:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: City boy showing his stupidity her in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-13-2004 10:12:27  
Pinyon pine is very drought tolerant, but I believe you are susceptible in Colo to the pine bark beetle that is devastating pinyon forest all over the west. Not much of a wind break anyway. Look for some junipers, they seem to be withstanding the beetles on our place near Palm Desert, CA. Also consider broadcasting native grasses, just rake them into the top layers. You can use a springtooth harrow behind your tractor for that, so you'll have an excuse to use the tractor.

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