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Jon from NY

06-15-2004 17:59:10




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The picture and letter in the forum below of the "C
near finished" is prompting me to ask for feedback on the pros and cons of sandblasting the engine, tranny, and rearend of the 300 I'm restoring. I've never blasted before and have read in some other forums of cautions about blasting sand getting behind seals and causing immeasurable dammage. If all openings where I don't want sand to go are sealed up and I don't shoot directly at greese seals and other vulnerable components, is this really a bad way to go? I planned on leaving the intake and exhaust manifolds on during the process to keep material out of the head. I'd appreciate your collective input. Thanks! Jon

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JohnG(TX)

06-16-2004 12:58:04




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Jon,
I sand blasted my F-20 during restoration, but it was stripped down to the tranny, rear axle, frame rails and front bolster. It had steel wheels on it at the time. I sprayed a coat of epoxy paint on right after. Then, I went through the rear axle, drop boxes, and steering gear box. (Maybe should have done this first.) I did the engine separately when it was completely disassembled for a rebuild. I used a small hand-held sand blaster and washed the insides thoroughly after the parts were painted. I also built a blaster cabinet for the smaller parts I could take off. Every nut, bolt, bracket or casting got blasted and painted. The end results were spectacular. I had no problems with sand getting in things where it did not belong.

If you strip your tractor down as far as you can, then sand blast the carcass, you should be OK. I would still do the engine by hand though.

JG

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Wardner

06-15-2004 23:12:41




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Despite all the following cautions against sandblasting old tractors, let me say as a retired sandblasting contractor that it can be done. However, I would not recommend that an amateur attempt it.

It requires large equipment that can propel the grit at high speed without inducing a localized high pressure area in the area to be cleaned. That means the nozzle can't be close to the tractor.

I used 750 cfm compressors, 1.5" hose, and .75" nozzels. My compressors were powered with 6-71 Detroits and used 8-10 gph of fuel. They were rated for 238 hp. Effective range on a tractor was around 8 ft. I once sandblasted the bottom of a commercial swimming pool that had 2 feet of water in it.

Most, but not all sheetmetal, can be blasted.

All electrical, glass, tin, and radiator have to be removed.

Any seal or bearing has to be protected with cured silicone and rubber tape.

Engine openings need to be plugged with expansion plugs and then taped.

Anything that leaks has to be fixed first.

Direct 90* sprays at thick gaskets should be avoided.

All tractors have to be cleaned with steam or hot high pressure water first.

Some tractors require more attention than what's listed above.


The oddest piece of machinery I ever did was a HD Panhead motor driven to a job site. The owner removed the hot motor from the motorcycle, did all the prep work, let me have at it, painted the barrels and pans, and reinstalled the motor in the cycle. He rode off after about three hours.

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Paul in Mich

06-15-2004 22:18:24




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Jon, Read my comment to Brian, as it answers your question as I see it. Other than a few things that can be removed and sandblasted away from the tractor itself, such as fenders, seat support, drawbar, wheel weights, manifold if removed, and a few select parts that would not be harmed by sand, sandblasting can sometimes cause more damage than what good it does.



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Wayne Swenson

06-15-2004 20:06:43




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Why do you want to sandblast? The only parts of the tractor that need to be quite clean & smooth are the hood, gas tank, air cleaner, seat pan, and radiator shroud. These should be sanded before painting. The engine block, frame, transmission, and rear end plus wheel hubs are rough castings and just need to be thoroughly de-greased before painting.
I would not recommend sandblasting anything I could not carry or roll and that part should not be assembled while blasting.
Elbow grease goes a long way and it is not expensive!
Pay attention to details by cleaning behind and under.

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Roger WI

06-15-2004 19:56:14




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Jon, As the others said, you have to be very careful of sandblasting a working tractor. I have only sandblasted the underside of the transmission/final drive on an MD that I was restoring, otherwise, I only sandblast parts that are off the tractor and are cleanable after sandblasting. I never sandblast hydraulic units or even engines as that sand finds it's way into all kinds of areas that you don't want it to (even if you mask it off as I have had the tape come off with disasterous results getting sand in areas that can't tolerate it). When I sandblasted the underside of my MD, I carefully wrapped the rest of the tractor in plastic including taping the plastic to the tractor in the areas I didn't want sand to get in. I still ended up getting some sand in the brake housings even with them bolted on tight. Again, I can't imagine sandblasting a working tractor without getting sand in many unwanted places that later will cause all kinds of damage. Roger

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Chad 1206

06-15-2004 19:06:28




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
I found that oven cleaner and a good high pressure washer does a pretty good job on the old paint and grease. I used a wire brush on an angle grinder to finish the hard area's. My friend sandblasted a Farmall A and spent two days after trying to get the sand cleaned off of it. Luckly the motor and everything was fine.

Just my suggestion. Chad



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Brian

06-15-2004 18:56:03




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
My question is, if you're not suppose to sad blast the tractor...what is the best way to clean up the tractor for painting, assuming you don't want to tear the whole thing down.



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Paul in Mich

06-15-2004 22:14:03




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 Re: Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Brian, 06-15-2004 18:56:03  
Brian, I've always been very leery about sandblasting any part of the tractor that is not removed. There are some things I remove such as carburetor, air cleaner, or anything else you wouldnt want to get sand in if it were installed in place. I've talked to some guys who power wash the grease off of everything, then spray oven cleaner (it takes several cans) then let it set until it begins to dry then power wash again, and most of the dead paint comes off that way. I use a pneumatic needle scaler for most of the castings, and do a lot of wire wheel on a lot of the parts I remove. I remove, nearly every bolt, one by one and run them on the wire wheel to remove all the paint and clean up the rust or oil from the threads, then replace them one by one, except for the bolts used for the removed parts. I sand all the sheet metal ( do not use scaler as it will stretch sheet metal), then replace all leaking seals and gaskets before considering applying any primer. If you plan on doing things right and not just slap on a coat of paint and apply fresh decals, as someone else mentioned, it is a tedious task, with no shortcuts, but the end result will speak for itself.

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CNKS

06-15-2004 19:11:25




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 Re: Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Brian, 06-15-2004 18:56:03  
It depends on what kind of paint job you want. I've seen "painted" tractors where the painter didn't even bother the remove the oil filter, carb, or distributer. The paint (that is, the small amount that actually gets there) goes over dirt and grease behind those items. The only way to get uniform paint on everything is to disassemble it. You can clean it with various combinations of oven cleaner, paint stripper, and pressure washing. Also an angle grinder and/or wire brushes on an electric drill. A good job will take a lot of time. There is no free lunch.

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andy b.

06-15-2004 18:48:09




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
i've sandblasted PARTS that i have taken off of tractors i've worked on. after seeing where it gets, there is no way i'd sandblast an assembled tractor. also, i would NOT sandblast an engine block or any hydraulic system parts. there is almost no way to get all the fine sand out of all the nooks and crannies. for any close tolerance parts, i would either clean them by hand our have them hot-tanked (make sure you don't have any bushings or seals in stuff that will dissolve in the hot-tank solution).

andy b.

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rustyfarmall

06-15-2004 18:25:17




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Not only will that sand get into parts of your tractor where you don't want it, it will also find it's way into every little nook and cranny in your shop. Believe me.



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Tommy D6-8U

06-15-2004 18:13:40




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 Re: Sand blasting concerns in reply to Jon from NY, 06-15-2004 17:59:10  
Jon,

Just speaking from experience, don't sandblast the tractor! There is no way to keep that stuff out of the inside, no matter how careful you are. You might be able to protect some of it but you'll never get it all cleaned off and it will find its way into an opening somewhere. I've seen several pieces of equipment severely damaged by doing this; one was an 1100 MF tractor. Killed the engine and hydraulic system in about 300 hours of operation! Fixed the engine but the tractor was later sold at auction for junk price.

Not saying you can't manage it somehow but its a big risk to take.

Tommy

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