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Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial

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Jerry in WA

07-10-2004 12:41:19




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Does anyone out there have any information on what is involved in changing froom a fast hitch to an industrial hitch?

I have the Fast hitch on my 3 point, and only about 2 of my implements will hook up to it. Someone told me to look into converting it to an Industrial hitch and that way most implements would fit.

Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Jerry




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CNKS

07-10-2004 18:18:25




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 Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial in reply to Jerry in WA, 07-10-2004 12:41:19  
3-point equipment for the size tractor you have is either category 1 or 2, 2 is wider than 1. Fast hitch came in a couple of different widths too, I don't know if it exactly matches the 3-point widths. With either system, you need to either attach the two lower 3-point links at the correct width, or weld the fast hitch prongs at the correct width to your equipment. This should work unless you are sharing equipment with someone. Unless your fast hitch is worn out, I wouldn't put an aftermarket 3-point on it, or as Hugh says, replacing the lower fast hitch arms with 3 point arms is probably too complicated. I would change the equipment to fit.

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Hugh MacKay

07-10-2004 15:48:12




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 Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial in reply to Jerry in WA, 07-10-2004 12:41:19  
Jerry: I think we should get some terminology straight first. Just exactly what do you have on back of tractor. Is it fast hitch with a 3 point conversion or a 3 point hitch with a quick hitch adaptor? What model is this tractor?

If it is fast hitch conversion, you will need offset hitch forks. On the other hand if your tractor is 3 point with quick hitch adaptor just remove the quick hitch adaptor, and you will have standard 3 point.

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Jerry in WA

07-10-2004 16:07:59




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 Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-10-2004 15:48:12  
Hi Hugh:

In reality, I'm not sure what I have. The model of the tractor is a International 240-U. I have been told that I have a fast hitch with Tell-a-Depth and traction controls.

My problem is that the frame of the lift arms are rigidly fixed in place, and some of the equipment I have is a little wider than the arms.

I hope this helps. If you need any more info, just ask, and I'll do what I can to answer.

Jerry

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Hugh MacKay

07-10-2004 17:24:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial in reply to Jerry in WA, 07-10-2004 16:07:59  
Jerry: 240U would be fast hitch and you must be using a 3 point conversion kit. These are quite hard to change unless you have numerous forks that fit hitch each with different offset angle. Most times it is easier to modify the implement.

You could remove the entire bottom half of that hitch and replace it with 3 point hitch. this would require some fabrication and a bit of engineering. You may in fact be able to buy a change over kit from a company like Saganaw Tractor. I should point out these are not industrial hitches, just farm 3 point hitches.

Without seeing exactly what you have, I have been assuming tractor is as it came from factory with a 3 point conversion added. A photo would be nice for myself or anyone else giving advice. Then we are sure we are starting from where you are at, as opposed to where we think you are at. That part can get costly. No point in hunting rabbits with cannon.

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Jerry in WA

07-10-2004 19:07:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industrial in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-10-2004 17:24:36  
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Hi Hugh: Thanks for getting back to me on this issue. I a went and took some pictures of the 3 point setup, and I'll upload them with this message.

The pic is under the galleries help identify section. It is entitled 1964 240-U Hitch.

Sorry if any of this information is redundant. I wasn't quite sure if messages posted the info, and I haven't done this before.

Jerry

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Jim Becker

07-10-2004 20:56:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industr in reply to Jerry in WA, 07-10-2004 19:07:16  
Your tractor is equiped with what IH called "Three Point Fast Hitch." As pictured, it is missing the top link, which was shorter than a standard 3 point top link. As designed, and with an appropriate top link, it should work with any standard category 1 three point implement. Most standard category 2 three point equipment (unless made to be changed to category 1) will be too heavy for this tractor anyway. As was said in another response, some so-called 3 point equipment wasn't built to spec.

One option that might work well for you would be to get a pair of regular two point Fast Hitch sockets (pin right on) and a pair of individual prongs that will adapt from 2 point to either category 1 or 2 hitches. You will also need to add a bracket for a standard 3 point top link. There is a place to bolt a bracket on the top of the transmission housing.

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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2004 02:54:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Ind in reply to Jim Becker, 07-10-2004 20:56:59  
Jim: Could you explain what you mean by Three Point Fast Hitch. The reason I ask is this conversion in his photo doesn't look right to me. Every two point Fast Hitch I've ever been around the two links were running paralell at the hitch sockets. These appear to be at a sudstancial angle to each other. May be it is the photo, but this 240 looks as though the entire bottom assembly of hitch is different from standard fast hitch.

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Jim Becker

07-11-2004 09:13:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2004 02:54:21  
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The 2 links are parallel, the angle of the picture makes it look otherwise. The entire bottom assembly is different, pins to the bail in place of the two point sockets.

Here is a page out of the Parts Catalog that gives a different view.

By the way, there was also a three point "industrial" hitch for the 240U that did not have traction control. I believe it was intended for highway mowers and the like.

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CNKS

07-10-2004 19:44:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Industr in reply to Jerry in WA, 07-10-2004 19:07:16  
The hitch in the picture looks too wide for a Cat 1, but I really can't tell. Some one could have had it made to fit the implements he had, I don't believe that it is factory, perhaps Hugh can tell. Another thing that works sometimes (if the lower pins on the implement are bolted on), is to turn them around so that they point in rather than out. They might not be exactly the right spacing, but they might work. It appears that you have "quick hitch" arms bolted into the fast hitch sockets, as opposed to a three point conversion that you can just pull out?

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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2004 03:25:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Ind in reply to CNKS, 07-10-2004 19:44:32  
CNKS: As I said to Jim the entire bottom assembly of the hitch on this tractor doesn't look right to me. Two point fast hitches had the lower links paralell to each other in the socket area. That was the only way fast hitch could work.

Jim also calls this an IH option. I do know IH were pulling straws in the late 50's, trying to satisfy the 3 point customers. This was especially true with utilities like 240, 340, 350, 330. IH were looseing these customers in droves to MF and Ford. The Farmall crowd really didn't get too upset as they were still using their old pull type implements for the most part. All fast hitch did for Farmalls was make them harder to mount or dismount. Believe me, I suffered more than one groin injury or mainly pain getting on or off the 560. Soon as I got my 656 that 560 fast hitch was cut up for scrap, and 560 got a new Farmall M drawbar.

Jim may be can shed a bit of light on this, as I have a gut feeling he may have experienced this as a dealer. There are a couple of spots both north and south of the Canada-US border where the names Becker and IH shared that relationship.

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Jim Becker

07-11-2004 09:35:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2004 03:25:59  
My dad was a dealer in New York, years before I was around. When I was young he still did some used machinery and short line stuff plus repair work.



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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2004 12:05:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitc in reply to Jim Becker, 07-11-2004 09:35:45  
Jim: I knew I had heard the name, and New York makes sence. I travelled quite a bit in upstate NY 30 years ago, mostly in rural areas.

Here in SW Ontario a family by the name Becker had a very large dealership, if I remember correctly 2,3 or 4 outlets in as many towns. Was there a family connection to your family.

I lived in Nova Scotia at that time so really all I know of these people is what I saw touring the countryside.

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Jim Becker

07-11-2004 21:07:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2004 12:05:48  
As far as I know, I am not related to the Ontario Beckers. The Becker side of my family only came across the pond 2 generations ago and some other members of the family also came across so it isn't totally impossible.

I have been doing a little writing for Red Power Magazine lately. If you are a reader of it, you may have seen my name there as well.



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Hugh MacKay

07-12-2004 03:54:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing F in reply to Jim Becker, 07-11-2004 21:07:13  
Jim: I would venture a guess that Beckers have been crossing the puddle for well over 100 years. They are still coming as I know a Becker in New Brunswick that still has his mother tongue accent.

I suspect the Beckers here in Ontario have been here well over 100 years. Just looking at the communities where the name seems most common. They look like the 1890's crowd. Whole communities were settled here in the 1890's and they named the communities, with names from home.

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Jim Becker

07-12-2004 20:44:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changi in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-12-2004 03:54:40  
100 years sounds like a long time, but the 1890s is about when my grandparents came across.



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Allan Rogis

07-10-2004 20:11:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing Fast Hitch to Ind in reply to CNKS, 07-10-2004 19:44:32  
I own a 560 with Fast Hitch. I installed a 3rd link on the lift arms and use the straight tongs which lines up for category 1. I use a category 1 quick hitch that I modified to get the high lift (so the 3 pt. blade would raise high enough). All categories do have industry standard widths, but not all manufacturers and some home made equipment may not conform to those specs. I have a cultivator that is Category 2 but is the type that I could move the links narrow enough for the quick hitch. The quick hitch was cheaper to buy the 3 pt. conversion was. My 2 cents.

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