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CNKS

09-10-2004 07:24:06




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Original post is on page 2. Case-IH prices for 460 rear axle bearings. Outer ball $51.35, inner ball $80.03. Parts book recommens replacing the inner ball with the roller bearing used on SN 19520-up, $219.81!! I have an early 460U Hi Utility, uses same axles as 460 row crop, I hope it has the cheaper bearing, if it needs replacement, as it won't get heavy use.




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randy hall

09-10-2004 12:31:06




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 07:24:06  
if you are unwilling to spend the money for new bearings why don't you get some good used ones from mike bunck at steel wheel ranch ? the rest of your tractor is running on used bearings.



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CNKS

09-10-2004 14:06:36




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to randy hall, 09-10-2004 12:31:06  
I didn't necessarily say I wasn't willing to spend the money, I was just passing on info about the price. If I need the inner bearing, I'm not going to pay $220, though, will just use the ball bearing, since the tractor won't get much use. I trust Mike, but I really don't want used bearings. Anyway, he probably won't have the inner roller bearing because he told me he had never parted out a 460. But, if my low serial 460 has to have the roller, I will have to do some checking around.

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lee

09-10-2004 09:04:29




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 07:24:06  
You may find you do not need to replace the inner ball bearing. Not real familiar with the tractor. Does it have any history of axle bearing failure? I ask because they changed to the needlle or maybe they did it for cost reasons, so they could charge more for replacement parts. But the prices don't seem bad except fot that needle bearing. If interested you could check a few bearing houses for prices on that. If the inner bearings are tight with no visual signs of wear they could probably be re-used.

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CNKS

09-10-2004 14:13:02




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to lee, 09-10-2004 09:04:29  
IH had a major problem with rear end failures in the 460/560. They tried a couple of things, and then made a fairly major modification to all they had sold. I believe the axle bearings were part, but not all of the problem. I think, not sure, that the conversion from the ball to roller bearing was part of the solution. The local dealer sells the roller plus a sleeve? to make it fit.



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lee

09-10-2004 14:29:45




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 14:13:02  
Do you know that it takes a sleeve? If so they may have you over a barrel if you want to do that upgrade. Given the history I would probably, at minimum, put new ball bearings in if I planned to keep the tractor. Another way around that high price, if a sleeve is part of it, is to have the sleeves made up if you happen to have a special relationship with a shop that can do it for you economically (for free or there abouts.)
Good luck and do your homework as you never really know what you may uncover that may help you get this done on the cheap.

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CNKS

09-10-2004 15:13:16




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to lee, 09-10-2004 14:29:45  
The sleeve is I think $2.18. My plans are to replace the old one with a ball bearing, If it needs it. First I have to get the trans cover off by removing all the rusted bolts without breaking them. Tractor is supported a jack stand under the pto, I really dont like the idea of working through that hole anyway. One trans cover bolt was broken when I got the tractor. Worst tractor I have done so far as regards rusted bolts.

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lee

09-10-2004 16:11:04




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 15:13:16  
If the sleeve is only $2.18 I would definitely check into the cost of that roller bearing from at least two more suppliers.



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lee

09-10-2004 09:27:39




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 Re: Lee and others in reply to lee, 09-10-2004 09:04:29  
In your previous post you asked how to check the bearing. If there is any sign of radial play the bearing should be replaced. If there is any sign of wear out of the ordinary running on the balls or the races it should be replaced. If there is any damage to the ball retainers it should be replaced. It must rotate free and not catch. Often times bearing races and balls get pitted due to corrosion from moisture in the lube. If they are pitted, replace them. It is really a visual check, all you can do. Use a strong magnifying glass. Often times I also factor in the difficulty level for future replacement as well as how much money I currently have and my end use. In the end there is always some anxiety in putting a used part back in. If it looks good and you still feel anxious about it, and you have the money, replace it. As with all things, opinions will vary as your mileage may also.

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