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Farmall M's Gas Hog's

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Sean Heywood

09-12-2004 10:57:13




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Are farmall M"s gas hogs? I"ve heard that they are. Do they use a lot more than an H?




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Jimmy King

09-13-2004 11:08:23




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
My Dad and Uncle would never get a M because a neighbor said his used 40 gal a day, he must have ment in a full 24hr period. They traded the H for a M when they bought a 8 ft Tayler Way tandom plowing disc. On a three disc bottom plow the M did not use much more fuel than the H and with the M you pull in 3rd, with the H you pulled it in 3rd,2nd, and 1st.



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Andy Martin

09-12-2004 19:42:46




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
We hay with M"s. Pulling a 9 ft haybine, you can go all day on a tank of fuel with most crops.

With my old Vermeer 605C round baler, I can bale 7 or eight hours on 15 gal of fuel.

But the rumors persist. I was in a starter shop with my hay hand when an old man asked him what the starter was off. He said an M Farmall, and the guy laughed "takes 55 gal a day". We"ve laughed about that, because haying we use between 10 and 20 gallons depending on the hours worked and load pulled.

My hay hand grew up on new JD, he"s only 20, and he was used to using almost the same in diesel because they had tractors way oversized for the job. They were mowing with an old 4020.

When somebody tells me to get a newer tractor to save fuel, I tell them what I paid for fuel last year, $1200. How much of that can I save with a newer tractor? Lucky to save $300 per year. Another M is about all I can manage on $300/year payments. And I"ve never lost a $1200 injector pump or $1500 hydraulic pump on an M. Maintenance costs on the old M"s are about zero. An occasional $300 radiator, $20 carduretor kit, $150 transmission gear plus tires and batteries is all I have had so pay out in twenty plus years of working the same four M"s year after year.

If the implements would last like the M"s farming would be really cheap for me.

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Kelly C

09-12-2004 20:27:41




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Andy Martin, 09-12-2004 19:42:46  
Theres some thing to be said about that. The guy accross the rd cuts and square bales with a 1466. I dont think I use as much fuel as him. Same size implements.
Plowings a different story. He goes through a field pretty fast.



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Hermit

09-12-2004 17:36:34




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
According to the engine manual, the M (gas) will burn 3.30 to 3.41 gallons per hour at rated load speed.



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NDS

09-12-2004 17:01:34




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
When we were doing heavy tillage with M it would use about 2 full tanks in a 12 hour day. But with JD G you had to take 5 gal can with you to be able to run half day. (think M tank was a little larger not sure).



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TP from Central PA

09-12-2004 17:15:12




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to NDS, 09-12-2004 17:01:34  
I don"t think the M with a stock engine was too bad..... ...But it got worse with the C264 and unbelieveable with the C281! The Deeres used so much more fuel you could probably have ran 3 Farmall "H"s on the same amount one "G" would have used(Grin)



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NDS

09-12-2004 17:01:06




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
When we were doing heavy tillage with M it would use about 2 full tanks in a 12 hour day. But with JD G you had to take 5 gal can with you to be able to run half day. (think M tank was a little larger not sure).



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Hugh MacKay

09-12-2004 16:03:49




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
Sean: I don't think you could consider either the H or M or in fact the Super versions gas hogs compared with other gas tractors of that era. What gives them the reputation of gas hogs are the diesels that followed. Many of those diesels were performing the same work on about 1/3 the fuel the gassers were. I should not have used the term diesels that followed, as the MD or SMD were much more fuel efficient than the gasser models.

Just to give you an example, we had a gas Farmall 300 when the first NH 9' haybines hit the market. That 300 would eat up 3 Can. gallons of gas per hour on haybine. With the new Farmall 560 diesel that dropped to 1 Can. gallon per hour. Back in those days we were using the imperial gallon, 20% larger than US gallon. The other factor the 300 was loaded, 560 was playing.

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John A.

09-12-2004 13:43:48




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
Sean, Our ol M would run , strart with a full tank of fuel at about 7:30AM, don't stop for lunch, plow hard, you could count on her running dry around 4:00PM. When I was 10 yrs old my dad bought a brand new JD 8ft cut Tiller series oneway. On rubber tires. It was a a major jump from the old 5t cut steel wheel 'wor-out' IH we had been pulling. We never thought much about how much fuel it used for we felt that the work it turned out was very good in relation to the fuel used.
In answer to your question.... I will get crucified for this..... My dad never thought very highly of the H's as a whole there was nothing an H could do that an M couldn't do better any day of the week.
I have to agree! He said that the H was under powered for what you got.
The two tractors share many charicteristics, from basic design, shared impliments, But to campare them, In an apples-to-apples pulling situation. Is doing an injuctice to both. For that day the M would be as we say today "a primary tillage" tractor. The H fits, and very nicely as the support or "secondary" tractor.
I think that the H was better suited for the cultivation, auger,wagon jobs IMO. Though the H has been many many farmer one and only tractor they had.
So in relation to the amount of work the M turns out as opposed to the work an H turns out..... IMO....NO! Sorry this got long.
Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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JD 5020 guy

09-12-2004 15:54:01




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to John A., 09-12-2004 13:43:48  
The M being a bigger tractor was better suited to the old Farmhand haystack loaders that bolt onto the back axle. Also, you are not alone. I have a neigbhor who shares the same opinion you do that the H is pretty much worthless for doing any heavy work.



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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

09-12-2004 13:30:49




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
I don't consider my SuperM a gas hog. It will use 38 gallon running from 8 am until 7 pm pulling a 14 ft disc. Never tried a H, too small for us to use.



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The Red

09-12-2004 12:55:27




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
Depends on what you are using them for. I have both Hs and Ms. If you have a the same sickle bar mower on both the H and M, the M will roughly use 25% more fuel. If you are running a field or bin augur, again the M will use 25% more fuel. If you have a 2 bottom plow on an H and a 3 bottom on the M, the M under load will use up to 50% more fuel BUT you are plowing 50% more at the same time. Per acre fuel costs would be about the same. Same would apply to discing with the H pulling a 6 footer and the M pulling a 9 footer.

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John M

09-12-2004 11:09:57




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
Depends on wht youre doing.I can pull my 3pt bushhog on 10 gallons of gas cutting 13 acres and have some left over,pull my 3 bottom over the same plot of land and itll never make it.



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Hayfarmer

09-12-2004 11:07:56




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 Re: Farmall M's Gas Hog's in reply to Sean Heywood, 09-12-2004 10:57:13  
I haven't had experience with an H. My SMTA loves the gas, think I could run a fire hose into the carb sometimes but it does a lot of work for the fuel. Think it is all relative to the job you are doing. I have 2 smaller JDs that will fun a long time on a few galons of gas but whey won't pull the load the SMTA does. If I put a light load on the SMTA think it would take more fuel than the small tractors for the amount done.

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