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Ballast resistor for lights?

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yellowrosefarm

09-14-2004 06:57:33




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I just finished converting my C to 12 volt and was trying to decide what to do about the 6volt lights when I saw an old ballast resistor laying on the bench. Now I"m wondering if I could use that to cut the voltage to the lights and keep the 6v bulbs. The tractor has a magneto so I don"t need it for the ignition circuit. Anybody out there ever tried it?




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Kendall

09-14-2004 13:54:30




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to yellowrosefarm, 09-14-2004 06:57:33  
Wire 2 lamps in series. There will be a 6 volt drop across each lamp. If one burns out, the other will just go off. Forget the resistor.



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Allan in NE

09-14-2004 14:56:01




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to Kendall, 09-14-2004 13:54:30  
Ken,

That isn't as easy as you make it sound.

Since the lights normally ground to the tractor's frame, you would first have to insulate the first light's mounting point completely from the tractor. No metal to metal contact whatsoever.

That first light would have to then ground thru the second light.

At that point, you would have run a wire from the first lights "metal base" over to the second light's 'hot' terminal to have the two in true series fashion.

If you just run a hot wire from one light over to the other, you are actually still in parallel and dropping 12 volts to each light because those lights are grounding at their mount.

Like Bob says, buy some bulbs.

Just my view,

Allan

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kendall

09-14-2004 20:38:56




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2004 14:56:01  
Yes, lamps grounded to frame presents a challenge but if Yellow wants to keep his 6V lamps, this is the simplest solution. Personally, I"d just switch to 12V lamps and be done with it.



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Bob M

09-14-2004 10:03:30




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to yellowrosefarm, 09-14-2004 06:57:33  
Doug's advice below is right on. Easier and cheaper to simply replace the bulbs.

Unless your C is a late model with seal beams, the lamps use standard single contact bayonet bulbs. Replace them with #1156 12 volt backup light bulbs. (A box of 10 will cost about $7 or so.)



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yellowrosefarm

09-15-2004 05:25:55




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to Bob M, 09-14-2004 10:03:30  
Well, I played around with the lights last night. First, I found out why that ballast resistor was laying around, it was burned out, so it went in the trash. So, I did the next logical thing, I hooked one of the 6 volt (sealed beam type) lights right to 12 volts. I thought it might pop right away but it burned till I disconnected it. That made me wonder what the difference is between the bulbs so I started rooting through boxes till I found a 12 volt sealed beam the same size. I checked the OHM's across the filament on both and they were the same. Now I'm wondering if the 6 volt lamp might be made "heavier" like the tractors wiring for the increased amperage of the 6 volt system. Heck, if they have the equivalant of a 10 gauge filament, they might last a long time. Any other thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

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Doug in OR

09-15-2004 11:10:59




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to yellowrosefarm, 09-15-2004 05:25:55  
Cold resistance means very little. As the filament heats up, the resistance goes up greatly. The only real way to know how much resistance a lamp has is by measuring the amps going through the lamp with the proper voltage applied. Divide the amp reading into the applied voltage, and you get the resistance value for that particular lamp. Remember that two lamps in parallel will then give you a total resistance value of one-half your single lamp resistance.

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Bob M

09-15-2004 09:44:23




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to yellowrosefarm, 09-15-2004 05:25:55  
Resistance varies not only with lamp design voltage, but also with lamp wattage (higher wattage = lower resistance). Consequently if both the 6 and 12 volt lamps show the same cold resistance means the 12 volt lamp has twice the wattage rating of the 6 volt lamp.

Now as you discovered you can burn a 6 volt lamp on 12 volts. However it WILL have a very short life on 12 volts, either blackening or burning out completely within a minute or two.

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Doug in OR

09-14-2004 08:00:02




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 Re: Ballast resistor for lights? in reply to yellowrosefarm, 09-14-2004 06:57:33  
In theory, you can do it. The reality of it is that you'll need a fairly large resistor. If your lights draw 4 amps at 6 volts, you'll need a 24 watt resistor, minimum. Good Practices Techniques says that you should use a resistor rated at twice that size. A 50 watt resistor is quite large. As for resistor value, you'll probably need something around 2 ohms. This is not the resistance value of a common ignition ballast resistor. Do not take my figures as gospel - measure the current draw with 6 volts applied to your lights and recalculate.

One last item to consider: If you burn out one lamp, all your calculations will be wrong for the remaining lamp. It will get a higher voltage at that point, possibly burning out your remaining lamp.

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