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CNKS--Water Allotment

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Allan in NE

04-04-2005 05:50:04




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Mornin' Guy,

I forget that the biggest share of farmers don't do the irrigation thing and aren’t familiar with it's terminology.

A lot of the irrigation in this country is set up under Irrigation Districts and for the most part was developed during the later part of the depression by FDR and his "New Deal".

During that time, the CCC boys would come in, build irrigation dams, reservoirs, canals, level the farms for flood irrigation (which was all that was available at that time) and install the head gates at each farm.

Local boards are elected to run and maintain the overall system and the year's accumulated water at these dams is then divided up among the total irrigated acres under the system. Taxes are then assessed and collected to maintain these districts. Down side is that taxes are based on acreages, not the amount of water available, so water or no water, taxes still need to be paid.

Last year, down on the home place, it was so dry that the available water in the dam at the beginning of the irrigation season (usually July 4th to Sept. 1st) was less than 10,000 acre feet. After river release and evaporation loses (64%) were figured in, the total allotment came to .24" of water per acre for the farmers.

It is generally agreed that an irrigated crop requires 1 foot of water per producing acre. Read: Old fashioned draught.

This is why so many wells were poked down into that aquifer. But, due to this ongoing drought, the water table is falling and even a pivot system requires at least 750 gallons per minute to do a good job of irrigation.

Looked at this place two weeks ago, and this is the farm that I said only had an allotment of .64" of water coming down out of the Wyoming system and has no irrigation well. Just not enough water to raise a crop. :>(

Allan

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scot_c

04-05-2005 18:59:29




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 05:50:04  
allen- farm for sale NW PA double8 parralel parlor, couple dozen bred heifers, several fresh heifers milking 80#+(dhia program said to bst them, we didn't), on the edge of lake effect snow/rain belt (either dry or soggy), want to trade? I love it out there where it's so flat, I have to go exploring someday, just to see what is over those hills that run along I-80



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KIP

04-04-2005 10:55:25




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 05:50:04  
Allan,

In the late 1800s and early 1900´s in New Mexico´s Pecos Valley, there were artesian wells that the farmers used to let run 24 hrs a day, even if they weren´t irrigating. Some would flow thousands of gallons an hour with no pump. They thought their water would never end, but by the time I grew up there in the 50´s and 60´s, all the wells had pumps and water meters and we were alloted 3 acre feet per year. Now, most of the alfalfa and cotton land is gone due to lack of water.

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CNKS

04-04-2005 13:03:13




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to KIP, 04-04-2005 10:55:25  
I grew up in Carrizo Springs TX, (100 miles SW of San Antonio). The Springs part was for artesian wells, long since dried up, they do flow if it rains a lot, only happened once that I can remember. I think they changed the Springs to Drought.



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SuperCmore

04-04-2005 07:57:17




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 05:50:04  
Allen, I was down to the river (Mississippi) at my camp just south of Canton, Illinois yesterday, and by this evening, most ALL of the corn will be planted in the bottoms. Those big Ford NH 4 wheel drives were rolling with 45 foot field cultivators, followed by 4 wheel JD's, CIH's and 24 or 36 row planters! Quite a site. Really dry here, but once river gets up some, no problems in the bottoms. On a bad year they raise 220 bushel corn. On a good one, 256-260 plus!! Cmore

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Allan in NE

04-04-2005 08:14:32




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to SuperCmore, 04-04-2005 07:57:17  
Yep, there it is.

Out here in the desert, if ya should happen to pull 150 bushel, you'd probably get your name in the paper as the "official designated county liar". :>)

It's a different world out there anymore, that's for sure.

Allan



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Slorollen rollen rollen,

04-04-2005 07:07:53




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 05:50:04  
Allen you hard-head. In about two weeks load up that computer and the Mrs. Drive east south east until you can smell the best soil ever. You will know what I am talking about. Field work will be in full swing and there will be a perfume in the air that will send shivers up your spine and you'll start ginning like a young man. Drive another 100 miles further east south east. At that point plug the puter back in to the nearest outlet and circle outward until you see a for sale sign. You wont be sorry.

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Allan in NE

04-04-2005 07:49:51




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Slorollen rollen rollen,, 04-04-2005 07:07:53  
Hey Slo!

I can't 'cause I think there is some kind of regulation that says us 'slow-wits' and 'po-folks' gotta stay in our pre-designated play areas.

Something about the powers that be don't want us to contaminate the sand in the box or some such thing. :>(

Wouldn't know how to act if the water fell from the heavens. Just don't seem natural somehow.

After planting, what does a guy do? Just sit and wait for harvest? What kinda farming is that, anyway? What happened to the 60 days of unadulterated he!! between the 4th of July and the 1st of September?

Heck, I’m already setting; I wanna work! :>)

Allan

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Sloroll

04-04-2005 08:00:23




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 07:49:51  
I just ran to the wimins rest room here and sucked back about a half cup of talc so I could kinda understand... :? ) No, there is (ustabe) cultivating to do, the farm pond to manage (can't let the fish over populate it ruins a good bass pond). Rocks to pick up and if you are lucky there is that fence post that needs an elbowed chin on it to keep it from listing. This is good exercise and allows you to keep watch on those young calves bounding around the pasture area.

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Allan in NE

04-04-2005 08:10:07




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Sloroll, 04-04-2005 08:00:23  
Well, there ya go.

Now, I'm the one that just don't get it. What are rocks? :>)

Allan



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CNKS

04-04-2005 06:47:00




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 05:50:04  
Most (I would say 99%) of our water is well water. The wells are monitored, I don't think the "allotment" varies from farm to farm, I don't know. From the Colorado border to Garden City, there is a canal system (ditch system) that uses water from a dam in Colorado, how much we get depends on how much CO releases -- there was recent law suit between CO and KS about this. The ditch water, far as I know is free, I imagine the farmers pay taxes to maintain the system. But nearly all farmers have supplemental wells because the ditch water is not a dependable source. Western KS has irrigation districts that regulate the ground water, don't think they have much to do with the ditch system. I did not realize you had a similar system in that part of NE. 0.24-0.64 inch is a typical single rainfall amount in western KS. It takes at least 0.50 inch for the water in the dry topsoil to meet up with the underlying soil moisture, anything less than that evaporates before the plants can use it. 12 inches of water will allow continuous cropping, rather than fallow, if every thing goes well, it never does. Looks like a good dryland farm to raise dryland corn, wheat and sunflowers on -- less work than irrigation, and more time to buy more tractors -- good luck.

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dhermesc

04-04-2005 08:50:01




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to CNKS, 04-04-2005 06:47:00  
Have a similar lawsuit going with Nebraska as what was just won with Colorado, apparently it too has been going on for well over 20 years - not holding my breath.



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CNKS

04-04-2005 12:59:20




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to dhermesc, 04-04-2005 08:50:01  
Kansas won the suit, sort of, I think there is also one with NE, over a smaller amount of water.



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Allan in NE

04-04-2005 13:19:35




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to CNKS, 04-04-2005 12:59:20  
We were looking at a place right on the Wyoming-Nebraska line, but in Wyoming.

I thought, well heck, I can punch a hole in the ground here because Nebraska's NRD "No drill" law does not apply in Wyoming.

Guess what? Wrong. Nebraska has agreements with Wyoming that no more irrigation wells will be drilled within a certain distance from the state line.

Me thinks all the easy oil has been found and claimed already. :>(

Heck, there is a half section just across the ridge and 5 miles from here. Maybe I outta go learn how to be a drylander. :>(

Allan

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steveormary

04-04-2005 16:18:35




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 Re: CNKS--Water Allotment in reply to Allan in NE, 04-04-2005 13:19:35  
Kip; Where are you at now. WE retired, sold out,moved south down here not too far from the Rio GRand Rented a house south of Las Cruces. So out in the country at least.

steveormary



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