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Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706

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riddleMN

06-01-2005 05:11:06




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I am what they'd call a "City Folk" and recently moved to Minnesota and purchased an old 9 acre farm building site. So, long story short I know nothing about Farmall Tractors but I have my eye on a used 706 that visually looks to be in top condition. Can anyone who technically understands these tractors please spoon feed me with regards to what I should look for, it has over 5,900 hours. The seller wants $5,000.00 and the tires are in good condition but what the heck do I know, it's not like buying a car that I can check their auto service records. So, I'm blind....are there any particular "big Ticket = $$$$" items that are about to fail, history of troubles, etc. Any Information along this line would be helpful. THANKS !!!!!

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K.B.-826

06-01-2005 16:52:29




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
Well, here are the pros-

The rear end is built to handle much more power than the engine can put out.

It has a very simple yet powerful hydraulic system.

You get power steering, power brakes, and most of them have the dual shaft PTO unit, meaning you don"t need to do anything to the tractor to switch between implements that run at 540 RPM and those that run at 1000.

Gas engine starts on any cold Minnesota morning.

The cons are-

Gas engine is thirsty and won"t last if you don"t know how to take care of it (Low-Ash engine oil from your Case-IH dealer and 93 octane gas).

Transmission is no fun to shift if you don"t know what you"re doing.

The shift pattern has High, Low, N, and R in a straight line, meaning you have to take extra time shifting from H to R to avoid grinding through L.

Things to look out for-

Have the TA pressure tested at a Case-IH dealer before you agree to buy. If it dosen"t pass with flying colors, the price is $1000 too high.

If the Park Lock is engaged while the tractor is still moving, teeth will be broken off the reverse driven gear. If you hear any noise in reverse, that"s what happened.

If any of the gears are hard to find, it will need the whole shift linkage rebuilt, at the tune of about $500.

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KRUSS

06-01-2005 14:35:19




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
Our 706 was a good tractor. Good handling and smooth to ride. It had an excellent speed selection with TA and all. One thing I do remember is that we broke a lot of studs in the rear wheel clamps over the years in both wheels. I often wondered since if it was just us. Our 706 was on an 1120 acre acreage and it and an M did it all. the 706 pushed lots of Canadian snow.



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caseyc

06-01-2005 06:16:40




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
where about in MN are you? maybe some body here is close enough for a visit since it's somtimes easier to come to a conclusion in person then over the web.

casey



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dhermesc

06-01-2005 05:29:41




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
Gas or diesel? 3 point or fast hitch (please ask if you don't know the differance)? Wide front axle or narrow front axle? All these make a big differance in tha value of the tractor.

To be honest I think a 706 is a bit large for 9 acre homestead. A midsize utility might be a better choice and good ones can be had for $5000.00.



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Nat

06-01-2005 05:29:36




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
The biggest question is what do you want to do with the tractor, and is this one appropriate for the job? If you've got a 50-60 acres of tillable land to work, then a 706 is a good choice. 9 acres, and just to mow around the buildings and do a little garden... A Super C is overkill.

I would recommend that you learn something about these machines before you rush out and buy one. Make your decision based more on what you need the machine to do and your capability to maintain the machine, not "oooooh pwetty wed twaktor!" I'm not talking about spoon-fed here, I'm talking about picking up a book and having some late-night study sessions. There are plenty of books on Farmalls at your local Barnes & Noble. Learning the history, and the evolution of the tractors will help you decide where in the evolutionary chain you want to be.

A 706 is a fairly substantial machine, probably overkill for 9 acres. A gas model will probably break you on fuel costs alone. There are many high-dollar items on it that could be bad, like the engine, TA, clutch, and several hydraulic subsystems. This is stuff that is even a little much for your average do-it-yourself-tractor-wrench-monkey, because of the size and complexity of the tractor.

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Sloroll

06-01-2005 05:29:25




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
This will sound stupid I know. If you really know nothing about tractors ask a neighbor, look around and see what every one else in your area has for the same size farm. Odds are there is a parts supply and technical support for them. Check out your local implement dealer see what he carries. YOu may even consider (even if the price is higher) buying from a reputable local dealer. If you buy from a dealer you have a place to go back to and say this is a hunk of crap. If the dealer is worth his salt he will work with you rather than have a irritated customer spreading ill words about his business. My two pence.

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Allan in NE

06-01-2005 05:50:58




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to Sloroll, 06-01-2005 05:29:25  
I just can't imagine anyone spending hard earned money on old tractors, can you? :>)

Allan



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Sloroll

06-01-2005 06:07:25




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to Allan in NE, 06-01-2005 05:50:58  
:? ) well..... Its a sickness and I need help. This is it though. I am out of space, money, friends. Rust and the smell of old oil just make me start shaking and nodding my head. I gotsa neck brace and blinders on now.

I really do like the 706s. Neighbor had one. One morning he came out to the field and the wide front was gone. Thieves had a concience though and blocked up the front end. It may have been his 1066... My mind is starting to go. Oh did I tell you I found that 39 H? A close friend asked me if I wanted an old H. It belonged to his father. I didn't even know he had it. Talk about between the devil and the deep blue sea!

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Allan in NE

06-01-2005 06:22:15




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to Sloroll, 06-01-2005 06:07:25  
Stop all operations.

Go buy your old H before you start your day; you really don't have a choice in this matter, do you?

Allan



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Nebraska Cowman

06-01-2005 05:25:03




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
gas or diesel? A 706 is a mighty big tractor for 9 acres. things like clutch work or injection pump can easy set you back $1000 - 1500 with little or no warning. You might want to opt for something smaller.



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Allan in NE

06-01-2005 05:25:05




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to riddleMN, 06-01-2005 05:11:06  
Riddle,

All old tractors will cost ya a train load of money.

The good news is that you can completely restore them back to new condition and still be under the price of a new tractor by light years.

Allan



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RiddleMN

06-01-2005 06:43:24




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to Allan in NE, 06-01-2005 05:25:05  
I want to thank everyone down to Allen in NE so far. Let me try to answer some your questions and ponder on the wisdom of some.....

dhermesc - It's gas, 3 point and wide axle.

Nat - When I indicated an old farm building site we're talking 1937 was the last time inhabited. There are scored of trees wider than I am tall, 6' and in need of major clearing. So, I am not working and have purchased a professional 28" blade saw to sever a limb and to take on the 10-12” trunks....As for the 9 acres, 4 are ready for mowing, 5 acres are a thick hedge where I intend to place my next abode.

When talking to those that have hobby farms in the area they all agree on one thing, you need something around 60hp on up to drive a brush hog so it won’t bind, the snow blower, yup we're talking snow up here in this tundra. A ford 8 or 9 will chock (so they say) so get some power. Additionally, as I play lumberjack I'll need to drag those puppies to a clearing for either future cutting or burning (with a permit of course). My city life John Deere 425 with a 5' foot deck and 2 stage snow-blower is what I'd classify as the "pwetty wed twaktor" (good one, I laughed). For the used JD425 I spent 5,800 so I don’t have the relatively to 6K for a big piece of equipment. It's all about cost and your comments are recorded for future reference.

sloroll - done that over the past 4 weeks, they all agree something between my JD 425 and something like the 706 would be a waste of money but I'm all ears to feedback, that's why I posted for candid input. Yes, I agree with going to a local dealer, in this case it would be through one on consignment so I had that very conversation yesterday, what did that mean, the dealer wrings their hands of the purchase after they get their 10%....I may be a bit slow but my city contracts background covers the basics....\

Allan in NE - Before going in the Navy circa '72 I lived in Auburn, I don't remember much snow there and so they keep warning me, 5-6 drifts, so going newer we're talking 15-20K, a tad-bit more than I want to spend.

Nebraska Cowman - Yup, agree with costs, I was hoping someone could say there's what typical failures are for a 706...X, Y, Z and cost associated. Or, now that I have explained what I need it for, perhaps someone will say a JDeere 4020 or something would be better, more parts available and less failures.....Better yet, for that many hours what would be a reasonable price.

For you farmers who have used these in your day-to-day activities, outside working with your hands, I’ve been stuck behind a desk my whole like playing the corporate thing, so I look forward to physically working but the warnings of money put will be heeded.

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dhermesc

06-01-2005 08:30:04




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 06:43:24  
Well, two out of three ain't bad. With those kinds of hours I'd find out if its ever been overhauled - and by whom. A overhaul done 500 hours ago by a REAL mechanic is worth a lot more then one done just a month ago by your average handy farmer. The price is a bit high, but if it's at a dealer's lot its pretty much in line. If it's on a dealers lot make sure you get some kind of warranty - actually that would be where I'd deal from instead of from price. If the dealer is representing it as "good" he should have no problem with giving you a 200-300 hour 6 month warranty.

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Stan(PA)

06-01-2005 07:32:12




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 06:43:24  
Those trees you"re gonna cut up or burn may pay for your tractor! I run a bush hog fine with 32 HP, though 40 would probably be ideal.



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Allan in NE

06-01-2005 07:06:10




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 06:43:24  
Hi Guy,

Go buy your tractor.

Try to buy it as cheaply as possible tho, because be forewarned, it will need an engine, tires, clutch and T/A and the hydraulics will need to be worked over before you are done.

You will easily have $10K in ANY old tractor of that size if you want to get it back into "new" shape. Even so, these red tractors are nothing but pure "bargins" at these prices and the really good news is that because of the way it was designed and built, it will be running and working hard long after you and I are gone.

We've all been where you are. Welcome to our "madness". :>)

Allan

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P Backus

06-01-2005 10:15:24




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to Allan in NE, 06-01-2005 07:06:10  
I don't know about all the doom and gloom. I agree with the guys that there are plenty of things that CAN go wrong with it, but if I bought a 706, I'd expect it to work well for a long while without requiring much more than regular maintenance and the occasional repair. They're a great tractor without any chronic problems that I know of. It's good to have a tractor that's big enough for the job. Even if it is gas, it won't use that much fuel unless you run it 8 hours a day for weeks. The price isn't too bad, especially if it looks good. kind of makes me think I should go out and find a 706/806!
Paul

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steveormary

06-01-2005 11:16:40




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 Re: Don't know what I do't know - FARMALL 706 in reply to P Backus, 06-01-2005 10:15:24  
I bought a used 706 ger.diesel and had it about 12 years. Never touched the engine. Had to repair the clutch and TA. Good tractor for my operation. If you are going to snake logs out of the woods a larger tractor would be better.

steveormary



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