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super_m

12-05-2005 14:51:43




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which pistons would give me more compression? new 4.125 tisco stepped heads,or used but good condition 4.125 domed IH firecraters with new rings? how much HP increase could I have?




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ChadS

12-06-2005 10:47:25




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 Re: piston compression question in reply to super_m, 12-05-2005 14:51:43  
It depends on what kind of pulling you are going to do,,,, Here is a recipe for a good low gear engine,,,, Find a set of FIRECRATER pistons, and dont look back. If you have a 8060 head, you will have to trim one side of the compression chamber for them to clear, but its about a 20 minute job with a hand grinder. Tisco stepped heads are ok,,, but they lack the swirl patterns the firecraters create in the cyl. This helps power and torque. It breathes alot better, give the head a light port and polish, rejet the carb, and turn it loose. That set up is good for 63-68 hp fresh,, you could mill theehad a little, and get it up in to the low 70"s, which you could pull low gear classes up to 8500 and have some good power to let it hook up. We build pistons that can get you over 70hp, 4-1/8th bore,,, and can be done as an inframe overhaul,,, but if you go with anything, and keep the cost down, find a set of firecrater pistons. There was a fellow that has a set for sale, "Supermpuller" has those pistons and, are what you want if your putting together a budget pulling engine. JMHO,, ChadS

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gene bender

12-05-2005 18:11:22




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 Re: piston compression question in reply to super_m, 12-05-2005 14:51:43  
Wont be that much between the two biggest gain will be the larger bore this will also bring up another question what is the desired result. If you are building a puller then mite want different set-up alltogether.



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super_m

12-05-2005 18:52:57




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 Re: piston compression question in reply to gene bender, 12-05-2005 18:11:22  
i am building a puller. what kind of differnet set up would you do?



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Janicholson

12-05-2005 15:20:05




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 Re: piston compression question in reply to super_m, 12-05-2005 14:51:43  
The answer is in how much volume is located in each piston's "dome".
Because a person usually can't tell by looking, here is the way to check.

Using a 5" diameter measuring container with mls or CCs on the side (be very careful with it if it is borrowed) fill it to the 200, then dip the piston in till you reach the edges. read the amount.
Do the other then compare.
The most displacement wins.
JimN

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riverbend

12-05-2005 16:10:22




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 Re: piston compression question in reply to Janicholson, 12-05-2005 15:20:05  
If you don't have access to labware, make a mold of the top of the piston with play dough or modeling clay and measure the volume with an eye dropper or syringe.

On an H the dome was only about 20 ccs. The difference between a kerosene head and a gas head was over 50ccs.



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