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Do I need a Hydro?

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Doug D

02-05-2006 18:43:08




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Considering looking for a Hydro to round bale with. Have Vermeer 554XL with twine tie.Normally run it with a 105 White.The twine tie takes close to a minute to complete the bale, so either have to kick the tractor out of gear or overheat the throwout bearing. We have a 666G hydro which I have baled with, but is abit small plus very thirsty. Would like to get one with a good easy acess factory cab with air.I have read most of the archived posts on hydro's on this site, plus some other limited research and seems like it boils down to a 186.The Vermeer really doesn't need 100+ HP to run, but can make better time with more power.Any and all thoughts on this appreciated. Did any other company make a hydro? I was sure I was at an auction a few years back, and they had a fairly late model Massey advertised as having a hydro tranny, But can find no mention of it in any of the books I have.

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Sheepog in NE

02-06-2006 19:43:26




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
We have a 1066 hydro on a feedwagon in our feedlot. Love it. We ran the first trany for 12,000 hrs and the center frame had a crack and leaked under the heavy load. It was not wore out yet. Change filters every year and oil 2-5 yrs depending on hours. 186 would be good. West Point Imp in West Point, NE has one. Don't know the hours. 402 372-2408. Had a 5250 on the wagon when we had tires put on the 10 and never could find the right gear.

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Doug D

02-06-2006 19:27:08




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
Thanks for the thoughts guys. Maybe overheating was the wrong word on the throwout bearing, but it failed while round baling . I know the hydros are inefficient , but if what you are doing isn't fun, efficiency losses it's importance real quick. Our 666G hydro takes 4 times the fuel on the square baler that the 5000 Ford D will, but we still use it cause it's such a sweetheart. Thanks again for your thoughts. Doug

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ny bill

02-06-2006 16:59:59




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
i have run a round baler with a 966, 1456, 1086, 666 (all gear drive), and 826 hydro. no contest- the hydro is much easier on my left leg (and my patience), than holding the clutch down on any of the others while the baler is tying. its also nice for windrows that vary in size. if you want a factory cab with air, the 186 is the most likely candidate. there was also a 3488 hydro, but very few of them were made.

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Jimmy King

02-06-2006 11:30:18




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
I am sorry but if you are over heating the throw out bearing on a 105 you either need to grease it or replace it. I have baled with a 105 and no problem with it over heating. Nor with a 756,706,544, 460, 400, 574 IHC. Jim



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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2006 08:39:53




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
Doug: Close to 40 years ago I looked closely at these Hydros. Comparing the specs one them with gear drive and how they performed at Nebraska tests, I couldn't justify one of the hydros. I never did buy one. They certainly wont out perform a gear drive on a round baler or any baler for that matter. There are much better drives out there for loader use.

These hydro tractors were clearly engineered and designed for the vegetable industry. I know of dozens of them bought for precission vegetable harvesters and seeders or planters. Those guys wouldn't even start them for any other use, just too costly. Hay baling doesn't even come close to a precission function or operation.

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Nebraska Cowman

02-06-2006 09:43:24




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-06-2006 08:39:53  
"better drives for loader use"???? Hugh, I can dump a hundred bales an hour in a tub grinder. You can keep your "other" transmissions.
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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2006 09:54:42




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-06-2006 09:43:24  
Cowman: Sure you can and you can also do it with shuttle shift for 1/2 the repair bills over 20 years. When discuss maters the bottom line is all that counts.



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Nebraska Cowman

02-06-2006 10:02:30




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-06-2006 09:54:42  
personal preference and ease of operation count some too, and I pay my own bills.



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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2006 15:29:50




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-06-2006 10:02:30  
Cowman: Again no arguments, if you want pay the piper, it's your choice. It's a well known fact that hydraulic motors are an expensive way to transmit power, yet one of the very best ways when that power must be infinately variable.

I you really must have hydro, put a 55 hp skidsteer against that hydro of yours and and he will run circles around you. He'll have the bale to the tub grinder before you get turned around.

Now if I were advising someone to buy a round baler tractor, I'd say go Deere power shift all the way. Gives you all the speeds you'll ever need for the baler, will change directions faster than the hydro, plus it will have good drawbar efficiency.

The very first farm applications we ever saw of hydrostatic drive were combines, and yes it allowed the operator to keep an even flow over the walkers and seives without wasting grain. Hydrostatic tractors became very popular on potato harvesters. Unlike the old chain diggers with 8' to 10' of chain now it was 40' of chain before the potato got to the truck. In order to prevent bruising they had to keep their speeds such that the chains retained a large percentage of the soil until close to the truck. Then you get into some of the precission vegetable harvesters where speed changes of .1 Kilometer per hour are necessary. These jobs have very high value compared to loader work or baling.

I operated one of these machines a few seasons in the 90s, and the hydrostatics on the harvester were all computer controlled, the ground speed was 1.5 to 2 kpm canged by the operator. It had digital reading of speed and harvester components. That my friend is what hydrostatics were designed for. Now if your one of these wealthy mid west beef barons, who really cares what you drive.

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Janicholson

02-06-2006 06:40:06




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
Hydros are very nice for baleing (all types).
But an evaluation of costs (and return) might show that a gear tractor of appropriate Hp. might be better if field pulling drawbar work is also included. No throwout bearing lasts forever, however they do not overheat nor wear excessively used as described. They would not be tollerated if they did.

Riding the clutch pedal a little, or near zero freeplay in the adjustment, will cause problems, but often not from spinning, but from ratteling contact with the fingers.

I've seen throwout bearings on cars that were out of adjustment run for 40,000 miles while spinning every moment.
My two cents and worm can opener.
JimN

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Nebraska Cowman

02-06-2006 03:22:33




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
I use an 86 hydro on an 855 New Holland baler. I eat a lot of dirt cuz there ain't no cab. A bale should wrap in 45 seconds and standing on the clutch that long won't hurt it. The push-me pull-me Ford Versitials are made in Hydro but would be rather cumbersome in small fields. How about a 185 Allis? they have a hand clutch that would work slick for baling.



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Formerly PaMike

02-06-2006 09:25:21




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-06-2006 03:22:33  
Hey Cowman,
What size bale does your 855 make? You ever run an earlier baler with the spring tension? Are the air bags better?



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Nebraska Cowman

02-06-2006 09:49:50




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Formerly PaMike, 02-06-2006 09:25:21  
It makes a full-size bale, 5 1/2 X 5 1/2 I think
Yes I've run the old spring bales too. I like the bags cuz it's real easy to let off the tension to work on the machine. I just bought a 2nd one so should be set for life now. Those old balers never wear out.



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Allan in NE

02-06-2006 03:18:52




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
"Overheat the throwout bearing".

I'll have to remember that one. Good excuse as any, I guess. :>)

Allan



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Mcred

02-05-2006 19:45:44




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 Re: Do I need a Hydro? in reply to Doug D, 02-05-2006 18:43:08  
A 966 0r 1066 hydro would handle it but there cab was not the greatest. we have a 1066 hydro and it is handy for the loader and other yard work not good for feild work thou. the nicest would be a 186 hydro for your baler, even a 86 hydro would probably handle it.



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