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chadd

04-29-2006 11:41:47




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I was just wondering if anyone has a diagram of a Farmall 806 electrical system. Our 806 is an early 1964, and originally had a 12V generator with external voltage regulator. Over the years, some previous owner changed it out in favor of a one-wire Delco. We are having lots of trouble with this system, either the regulator quits and it won't charge at all, or when it does charge, it drains the batteries. We have a Delco 10si laying around with the 3 wires. Does someone have a diagram of how to install this? The wiring this genius did is all over the place. There are loops of wire tied up under the cowling and the old voltage regulator is still all wired in. It is a mess. The factory setup with the three wire in our 966 seems a lot better. Thanks for the help.
Chad

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the tractor vet

04-29-2006 18:50:22




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 Re: 806 electrical trouble in reply to chadd, 04-29-2006 11:41:47  
Chadd on your tractor that had the old style gen . systerm the main hot wire in that harness is not heavy enough And a new harness should be installed , now it would be nice to upgrade to a later seiral # harness for the engine and the main dash and it would be money well spent that way everything would be a plug in deal but you would have to go with and external reg. alt. not a big deal as like i said it would be a plug in deal or you could set down and make up one . Now if i could only find my wirebook that the wife put somewhere but can't remember just where and my scanner worked i would scan it and e/mail ya both the old and the new but like i said at the moment i don't know what she did with it . I have nade up the main harness and the dash harness several times from scratch and when done with them they are a plug in deal like factory., takes a good day of work to make up a nice harness with a 8 ga. main . The dash is the pain in the drain.

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John T

04-29-2006 12:38:13




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 Re: 806 electrical trouble in reply to chadd, 04-29-2006 11:41:47  
Heres how I wire a GM 10SI Alternator on gas tractors using a coil ignition system, if its on a Diesel, they can be excited by use of a Normally Open Oil Pressure Switch with a hot wire feeding its input and its output used to excite the alternator via the 10 ohm current limiting resistor (see below) when she sees oil pressure and remember, it requires NEGATIVE GROUND !!!!! !

The big rear main alternator output terminal goes to the wire that used to be connected to the BAT terminal on the Voltage Regulator or Cutout Relay. HOWEVER if that wire wasnt already upgraded, when I convert from a Genny to an Alternator, I replace that wire with a 10 Gauge and it runs from the alternators main output up to the LOAD (NOT to battery/starter) side of the ammeter. I also replace/use 10 Gauge from the ammeters other SUPPLY terminal to the battery/starter.

The little side number 2F Voltage Sense Terminal gets connected (use a short 14 jumper wire) right up to to and with the big main output terminal mentioned above.

For the little 1R side Excitation Terminal, run a 16 or so gauge wire from the ignition switches IGN (which is HOT ONLY when ignition is turned on) terminal and in series with it place a 10 ohm 5 watt current limiting protection resistor (dont really need that much wattage power rating, but they are heavy duty built and easy to wire). Then in the rare event a gas tractor continues to run cuz of alternator backfeed when the ignition is switched OFF, I add in series a 5 amp 50 PIV minimum Diode. The diode must be wired with negative cathode end to the alternator and positive anode end to the switch. Again, the ratings are not that exact but about any diode over a few amps and 50 volts or so works.

Dont forget to change the battery to negative ground (if its not Negative already) and if a gas tractor the coil needs to be wired so the negative goes to ground via the distributor points and the positive gets power from the ignition switch and you have to reverse ammeter leads also if your changing polarities from Positive to Negative.

Good luck Ol John T in Indiana

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old

04-29-2006 11:59:17




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 Re: 806 electrical trouble in reply to chadd, 04-29-2006 11:41:47  
The Delco 10SI is easy to wire up. The big post on it goes to the battery/soliniod hot side the #2 terminal goes to the big post on the alternator and the #1 goes to the ignition switch with either a diode or small lite in line with it. I prefer the diode, I use radio shack part number 276-1661. It its a diesel the doide will work to keep the battery from being drained and if its a gas the diode lets you shut the tractor off when you turn off the ignition.

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Bob

04-29-2006 11:59:12




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 Re: 806 electrical trouble in reply to chadd, 04-29-2006 11:41:47  
Bob Melville has a site of daigrams for 12-Volt alternator conversions.

Here are two really simple diagrams that will work on about anything. Just ignore the "magneto" part.

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Instead of the indicator lamp shown in BobM's drawings, you can use a diode, such as the 1N5008's I use. The diode or the indicator lamp are a direct swap for each other. Here's a photo:

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