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Sean W.

06-22-2006 14:55:43




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I happend to spy a Farmall 656 NF on the road today, and I never have been around one and would like to know some general info on them before I would buy one. For one the gear shift was odd(to me)and the guy said it was a 5 speed with a TA to make 10 speeds. Had a gas motor in it. And mainly I have had gas tractors and was wondering if it would still be able to power our 6' Bush hog pulling thru 3' tall grass. Cause my D17 gas burner still can't pull that shreddar at 54HP. And not sure on HP rating on a 656 gas burner but wondering if it could pull it. The 656 tractors mainly had independent PTO's? So if running a shreddar, push in the clutch the PTO won't stop but the tractor movement will? Just want to make sure as my D17 has the hand clutch to keep the pto going, getting tired of that. On the I6 gas engines were there any problems with them? The guy I was talking with said something about the oil light would come on every now and then due to the oil filter being above the pan and it would drain out? My other tractor is fighting an oil problem, and don't need to buy another tractor with oil pressure issues. One more: What is the difference between the International models from the Farmall models? This one is a Farmall 656. I knew(for example)there was the I706 and a F706 does this also apply to this 656? This serial number started off 23,something, and looked that up its between 66' and 67'. Take it its a 66' model. Nice looking tractor, but wish it was a diesel. Thanks for the help!

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IndianaMike

06-23-2006 05:50:44




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 14:55:43  
The 656 gas model we have had as long as i've been alive (21 yrs) really gets the job done. We used to pull a John Deere 42 combine with it all day long and it never wimpered. Its a good strong tractor, surprisingly capable and very reliable. Ours needs new main bearing seals, but has for 12+ years and still just runs great. We normally use it to plant and bale straw, but it can pull a 4-bottom plow just fine, although here in Southern Indiana we live on sandy soil. I'd say go for it, unless you get a feeling something is really wrong with it. The gas usage may be more than a diesel, but it still isn't bad. You can't beat the exaust note with that smooth running 6 when it pulls down, either!

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Sean W.

06-22-2006 23:35:18




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 14:55:43  
I kind of figured the fuel consumption would be rougher with a gas motor over diesels. I do want a diesel and it may be best to pass on this particular tractor. This D17 allis I have seems to lug down and can"t handle the bushhog. Seems to strain the motor. Yes I have ran the diesels, we have a 886 with the german 356(think it is,maybe not) but yeah I like the diesels for hardcore work. They seem to withstand the abuse. For the money of going from a 53hp 226 in the allis to another gasser that puts 60+hp might not be it. Having the diesel motor may just be it. But I can always fall back on that 886 for the heavy stuff, and have that 656(if bought) for the lighter work. I am tired of the hand clutch and want true independant PTO. In case that gas motor needs work I can do it myself. The diesel injectors and the pump would have to be sent off for rebuild and be high cost. I"ve seemed to notice the gas burners aren"t abused as hard as the diesels can be. Its way to early to tell on a descion and haven"t even looked hard yet. Never know what I could find. Plus wanted a 706 for some reason.

Guess the only other question I didn"t see anwsered was what the difference was between the Farmall and International models? Thought it was something of the packages offered to the tractors?

Oh BTW, would a 656 gasser pull a 5 bottom 550 IH semi mount plow in clay ground? If so I have my plow for the tractor already.LOL Thanks for the help guys!

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Hugh MacKay

06-23-2006 03:09:33




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 23:35:18  
Sean: Model designation of IH tractors changed in 1967. Prior to 67 all row crops were designated Farmall and Industrials, Standards, Utilities and Wheatlands were designated Internationals.

After 1967 all IH tractors were designated Internationals and Farmalls had the word Farmall in small print on the model number badge. I say before and after 67 as not all models changed the same month. When I refer to Farmall or International designation I'm talking of the large badge on side of the hood. Since the 656 and 140 were the only two tractors caught in mid production in 1967, it does lead to more confusion. For the others this occured at model change from 06 to 56.

On the 5 bottom plow you will not likely be able to pull that with 656 gasser in clay soil. I say not likely as some clays plow easier than others. I pulled 5x16 with my 656 diesel in Sandy Loams and got along quite well. My other option for pulling that plow was 1066, but I can tell you my cost per acre plowing with 656 was a lot less than 1066. I know a guy that had a 656 gasser and had trouble pulling a 4x16 plow in clay. These were all IH semi-mount plows. I've never worked a 6 cylinder IH gasser, in fact I've only ever seen one. In my 6 years here on YT discussion, listening to owners and operators, I'd have to say the gassers will not lug with diesels in the same model.

6 cylinder gas Farmalls are not very plentiful here in Canada. We've always paid aproximately 40% more for fuel than US farmers, due to our tax system. After tractors like 300, 400, 350 and 450 we switched to diesel very quickly.

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K.B.-826

06-22-2006 18:19:46




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 14:55:43  
I"d want to check oil pressure with a mechanical guage before buying that tractor. Oil pressure light should go right out and stay out after start-up. IH six-cylinder gas engines are pretty decent if cared for- gotta run low ash oil and keep the valves set. If low-ash oil is not used, they WILL foul plugs and burn valves. 544, 656, 666, and 686 were the best all-around tractors IH ever built. Myself, I would hold out for a diesel, but the D-282 engine in those 656D"s will not torerate any abuse, they"re an outstanding engine when cared for.

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Ron in Nebr

06-22-2006 17:44:58




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 14:55:43  
To answer a couple more of your questions- yes, the 656 does have an independant PTO. You step on the clutch, tractor stops, PTO keeps running. Only way to disengage the PTO is to pull the lever. On our 656 gasser, which has high hours although not a bunch of hard pulling, there's never ever been an oil pressure problem. Light never flickers....amp or charging light flickers at low idle, but oil pressure has never been a problem.

They're a good reliable tractor. Only current problem with ours is some rust flaking off from inside the gas tank which plugs things up now and then.....I did replace the head gasket a couple years back, but that's about all that's ever been done to it.

Like Hugh said, the gassers do use alot of gas comparatively. But for bushhogging and just general occasional use, you'd probably be ok. If you were gonna go out at daylight and pull a plow till the sun went down every day the fuel bill would eat ya alive. But for the occasional few hours of running time you probably wouldnt notice it unless you had experience running a similar diesel-engined tractor. Plus, the gasser "should" start alot better in cold weather in case you have to use it in the wintertime.

I say, if you find a good deal on one and it suits your needs, go for it.

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Hugh MacKay

06-22-2006 16:37:49




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 Re: Looking at a 656, know nothing about... in reply to Sean W., 06-22-2006 14:55:43  
Sean: 656 gasser will have a drinking problem. It will be 60+ hp. The diesel version was one of the most efficient tractors ever built and the gasser was at the other end of the scale, as it applies to fuel.

Other than that fuel it will be a great tractor if it has been well maintained and doesn't require a lot of rebuilding. I farmed for many years with roughly 20 different tractors, 16 of them Farmalls, and all the way from 20hp to 150 hp. My most efficient horse power hours came from Farmalls 656 and 560 diesels. That takes into consideration buying, fuel and repairs on roughly 26,000 hours of work with the two tractors. During the years those two tractors were my main work horses, my bottom line was the best. Now, I will admit there were other factors, however the tractors had a significant impact.

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