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Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan*

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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 15:40:07




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Really would like to hear from Harold H on this..

ref: the MCH cotton harvestor tractor thread dated 3/30/06..

If you have a MCH that has the added trans with the stock trans.. and the stock tranmission pan is NOT the reversible trans top - can one get a reversible trans pan top without too many problems! are can you modify the current top??

Also - the shift rail? DO you simply reverse the current shift rail?? are do you need another shift rail?? If so - can you get one or is it not too hard to have one made??

Thanks and would be more then happy to have a call to my cell # on this from Harold H.

Thanks Charles

northshore_sandman@hotmail.com
cell 210.912.7873

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NDS

08-26-2006 03:49:26




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
Campbell tractor parts in Fayetteville TN had M with 2 hole top couple of years ago, may still have it. Thihk he also had couple of low drum pickers then. They or on ITS salvage yard list.



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)One thihg more.

08-26-2006 05:29:58




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to NDS , 08-26-2006 03:49:26  
The shiter rails from standard transmission cover will not fit either side of the 2 hole covers. Converted low drum picker to foward travel sometim back and tried to use rails from standard cover and they would not work (do not remember why) had to use entire cover and rails from standard tractor.



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Wardner

08-26-2006 07:40:43




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to )One thihg more., 08-26-2006 05:29:58  
Parts swapping usually requires alot of parts book research and careful measurements. Not having done that at this point, I am guessing one of the gears (perhaps 1st, maybe third or fifth} will not fully engage. The front rail retainer needs a small alteration. The detent bumps may also be out of sync and that would require new flat bar be machined.



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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 18:36:04




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
seems I post a reply sometimes and it does not take.. posting again if it get dup'd!

Harold - if you know someone with a reveriable trans top.. I picture would be worth a $1000.. IS it possible to make the mounting parts and put them on the trans top!

again even if not possible a picture of the reverible top and mirror rail would be half of my puzzle!



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Wardner

08-25-2006 19:34:05




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 18:36:04  
It is not possible to mount the shifting hardware on top of the lid.

I think an M parts book wiil have a picture of the two hole reversing lid.

You cannot take a regular M lid and convert it. The cast areas for attaching the shifting hardware are not present.

See my post below. That $1000 you mentioned would be more than adequate to fabricate a reversing lid for you.



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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 18:36:03




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
seems I post a reply sometimes and it does not take.. posting again if it get dup'd!

Harold - if you know someone with a reveriable trans top.. I picture would be worth a $1000.. IS it possible to make the mounting parts and put them on the trans top!

again even if not possible a picture of the reverible top and mirror rail would be half of my puzzle!



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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 18:29:05




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
Harold - if you know someone who has a reverse top - a pictre would be worth $1000 here.. If I knew what had to be done - maybe a backyard racer who machines parts could help me!

Is it at all possible to make the rail mounting parts and add them to the trans top.. again even if not posible - a picture of the top amd other rail would be half the puzzle if you know what I mean!!



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NDS

08-25-2006 17:25:20




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
I do not claim to be an expert but I have actually reversed picker tractors so I am ahead of some. I assume by MCH you mean picker mounted on M. If this is a high drum picker that is reversed in drop boxes you will need the two hole deck cover and reverse shifter rails. When you flip ring gear it winds up directly under shifter so shifter has to be moved to opposite side to clear. Saw someone post that they had seen spacers under deck top so that it would clear shifter but this would not be easy and you still would have to modify shifter rails. The parts to reverse tractors (make it travel foward) or still around in cotton country as they were used on low drum picker tractors but are becoming hard to find as most of the pickers have been scrapped out. Know where a picker that had everything you need was cut up for scrap a few months ago. A low drum picker can be converted to foward travel by flipping ring gear and using deck top, shifter and rails from standard tractor. Hope this mightbe of some help and maybe Harold H will see your post and add his expertise.

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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 18:16:26




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to NDS, 08-25-2006 17:25:20  
Thanks NDS.. when you say the top deck?? Do you mean the tans top cover?

The Tractor has the bull gears - the rear axle drops to the rear wheels.. Can't you drill out the trans cover if you had too?? Same for making the shift rail??

I am in South Centrail Texas.. They do/did farm cotton south towards the Coast.. Byt I don't think I would find one here!!



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Harold H

08-25-2006 18:20:18




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 18:16:26  
He could possably drill the top for mounting the lever, (never seen it done) but still would not have the machined slide areas for mounting the shift rails.

Harold H.



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c kennedy

08-25-2006 15:49:31




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:40:07  
added info:

trying to find out if I can make a modified MCH cotton harvestor that goes backwards - now go forward by reversing the trans top... If I don"t have the reverible tran top - what can I do to GET IT DONE!! and I guess if you have the left (or right hand shift rail, which ever one is in there at present time) you could make the other hand (left/right hand) shift rail you needed by copying the one you have ?? Or can you get them somehere??

flipping the diff gears and the shift handle would be the eazy part!

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Wardner

08-25-2006 19:22:18




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to c kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:49:31  
I don't know what you are trying to do here but you seem to need a two-shifter-hole lid and opposite side shifting forks.

The forks can be separated from the flatbar rails, rotated, and rewelded.

I have '39 M, SMTA, and 560 lids loose in my barn. They are all the same length and appear to have the same bolt holes. All lids from the 400 through 560 are cast similar to the old reversable M lids. This means they have two shifter holes and the necessary bosses to attach the rail retainers and detent balls w/springs. This also means you will have to drill and tap a 400-560 lid to the attach the modified shifting rails on the other side. That will be seven threads and a little bit of end milling on the bosses.

I have a Bridgeport and welder that can do the work. Send me an email if you want to go this route. I won't send you a quote until I am sure my 560 lid will fit your tractor. Bear in mind that an original reversible lid found local to you will be alot cheaper than the core, custom work and shipping. I am in MA.

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Harold H

08-25-2006 18:17:26




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to c kennedy, 08-25-2006 15:49:31  
You could have a machine shop make a set of reverse shift rails. They are a direct mirror image of the regular rails. However, you still need a reverse top. You have to have the casting with the area machined where the rails mount and a place for the shifter to mount on the other side.As previously mentioned, these reversable tops were originally only used on low drum pickers and are getting scarce. No suggestions by name, but I would look on old M's in yards in hill cotton country. You might find one with a reversable top. Wish I could be of more help.

Harold H

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C Kennedy

08-25-2006 18:42:09




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to Harold H, 08-25-2006 18:17:26  
seems I post a reply sometimes and it does not take.. posting again if it get dup'd. After looking - it seems some of my post DO NOT make it to the end of the thread??


Harold - if you know someone with a reveriable trans top.. I picture would be worth a $1000.. IS it possible to make the mounting parts and put them on the trans top!

again even if not possible a picture of the reverible top and mirror rail would be half of my puzzle!

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Nat 2

08-26-2006 06:55:54




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 Re: Cotton Harvestor *reversible transmission pan in reply to C Kennedy, 08-25-2006 18:42:09  
Looks like your first post gets through. Try hitting "RELOAD PAGE" after going back to the thread. Depending on how you have your web browser set, it sees that you're looking at a page that it's already downloaded, and uses the cached copy instead of downloading a new version.



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