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Plowing with Fasthitch

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Jeff P

11-07-2006 05:12:57




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When plowing with a semi-mounted plow, do you have the fasthitch set to float or rigid? I have two different IH books one for IH plows that says the hitch should be rigid, and a book on the fasthitch that says you should set it up to float. Need your input. thanks




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VernMN

11-07-2006 18:51:26




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Jeff P , 11-07-2006 05:12:57  
Plowed with a 460 and a 3x16s semi mounted plowed. Let the fast hitch float.



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Brownie 45

11-07-2006 18:08:27




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Jeff P , 11-07-2006 05:12:57  
The fully mounted 3 & 4 bottom plows had to have the pins in the front holes on the arms to let them get in the ground quickly at the end of the field. The semi-mounted plows didn't need this added amount of "suck" to get them into the ground. Basically all the fast hitch did on the semi-mounted was raise & lower the front of the plow. Hope this makes sense.



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Janicholson

11-07-2006 15:37:37




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Jeff P , 11-07-2006 05:12:57  
I spent my first tractor operator days on a 350U (still have it) we pull 3-14 mounted with a depth wheel (I can't remember the model, but it has points shares seperate.)
We ran it with the pins out of all the socket and links except the bottom of the cylinder (for down pressure).
We plow in very difficult variable soil with yellow and blue clays as well as loam and sand (Our farm is located in a transition zone at the southern tip of Lake Michigan. The tractor hads a five position draft control "D" handle on the left of the seat, and depth indicators using ush pull cables on the left side of the dash. We put the draft control in the middle notch and ignored it.
We tried to plow as deep as possible without pulling up clay hardpan. Usually about 7 to 8 inches except on the clay knobs (5 to 7") Sharp points were necessary to keep it in the ground, but in most conditions of moisture, it was a third gear direct and TA in the tough spots. In dry conditions, it was 2nd. JimN

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Hugh MacKay

11-07-2006 07:10:19




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Jeff P , 11-07-2006 05:12:57  
Jeff: I've never plowed with a fast hitch semi-mount, however there will be two distinct criteria depending on the hitch. The 300 and 400 tractors did not have draft control, only depth control. The later tractors all had draft control, and that will change the rules.

My suggestion is go to the proper operators manual for the tractor you are using. That in conjunction with plow manual should tell you how it's done. What Pete told by saying "float" is correct, however there will be a bit more to it than just "float". Semi-mounts are a bit unique.

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KIP in MX

11-07-2006 08:54:50




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-07-2006 07:10:19  
Hugh, I thought that the horizontal front hydraulic cylinder on our 400 that raised and lowered the front of the hitch was draft control. Is this incorrect?



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Hugh MacKay

11-07-2006 09:38:27




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to KIP in MX, 11-07-2006 08:54:50  
KIP: I suppose you could call it draft control in one sence, as you could manually change the draft or depth. I expect if you get right down to scientific description what I'm calling draft control is actually automatic draft control.

The point I'm trying to make is with 300 and 400 you could manually adjust draft or depth, and they were a decent hitch. You could not call the 350, 450, 460 or 560 draft control anything near decent. When IH came with the 06 and 56 series tractors they more than made up for lost time.

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KIP in MX

11-07-2006 12:12:12




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-07-2006 09:38:27  
Thanks, Hugh. We had a fast hitch 3 bottom IH disc plow and I remember using that forward cylinder when plowing, but we pinned the front of the hitch when cultivating and used that cylinder to raise the R/H side of front 4 row cultivator. Only other fast hitches I´ve been around were on 340 Farmall and 240U and 460U.



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Hugh MacKay

11-07-2006 13:57:20




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to KIP in MX, 11-07-2006 12:12:12  
KIP: Whether it's fast hitch or 3 point hitch, these had two things in common, convenience of moving equipment from one field to another and transfering implement weight to the tractor. Ferguson may have been first but his system was not perfect.

I always have maintained fast hitch did one thing, that was the evolution of lower link sencing. All companies in the 1950s were struggling to come up with the perfect system. IH finally did it and they did it using their lower link sencing technology and applying it to Ferguson's 3 point hitch. Indeed it came with 04-06 tractors in 1963. At that point IH were light years ahead of the competition on hydraulic systems. They also had perfected IPTO and much improved TA by getting rid of free wheeling on low side. I farmed with two of these tractors namely the 656 and 1066. I've operated many other tractors since up to and including 2006 models. In my opinion, no company has surpassed IH on that 3 point or fast hitch, used on 06, 26, 56, 66 or 86 series tractors.

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Jeff P

11-07-2006 08:48:53




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-07-2006 07:10:19  
Ok both IH manuals agree on the vertical float,(pin out of the bottom of the cylinder) but that's where it gets complicated. The plow manual says lock the arms pin in front hole, and the pin in front hole on the lateral as well (locked position). The Fasthitch manual says just the opposite, pins in back hole on the arms, and unlocked lateral as well. The fasthitch is equipped with traction control and the plow is steerable.

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Allan In NE

11-07-2006 07:40:12




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-07-2006 07:10:19  
How in the heck do ya finish up the headlands with those silly one way plows?

Make three or four huge 60 acre circles? :>)

Allan



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Harley

11-07-2006 08:04:50




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2006 07:40:12  
Allan, back when I farmed up in the great north of Iowa, we used both fast hitch semi mount and three point semi mount, and when you get to the middle of the field, you drop the front of the plow in the ground, leaving the tail end just touching the top of the furrow and go like heck. This fills in the furrow and if done correctly can hardly be seen. Especially after discing the clods down we farmed those same fields like that for years till they quit plowing. Harley

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Allan In NE

11-07-2006 08:21:19




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Harley, 11-07-2006 08:04:50  
Yeah, I know.

But, what do you do about the turn rows?

You know, the ends of the field where ya have to clean it up against the fence/road/outer edge of the field?

Allan

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Harley

11-07-2006 18:09:02




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2006 08:21:19  
Hey buddy, ( we usually plowed a field in a square) we would start out along one edge and when we got to the end we would raise the plow, turn left, and drop the booger in the ground. Just keep doing this till you're done. Then start in one corner and plow on both sides of the corners the same way you fill the dead furrow. Like I said, with the front down and the rear of the plow up just to the top of the ground, and enough speed, it will throw the dirt into the furrows and with a little cross discing, you can't see the furrow. Now remember, we weren't trying to irrigate anything either so it didn't have to be tabletop flat. Which is a good thing, cause there weren't no flat ground where I came from. Harley

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Hugh MacKay

11-07-2006 09:06:52




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2006 08:21:19  
Allan: Harley has it, a true artist with a semi-mount can cover anything. The other thing we did was roll it the opposite direction every time we plowed.

Having said this, I can see where your coming from with the roll over or spinner plow as you call. I had a neighbor much like you plowed for years with his 3x16 roll over John Deere, and like you he thought the rest of us were nuts. Maybe he was right, and maybe your right. I do expect with most of us nuts guys, it was a plain case of dollars invested when we bought the plow.

Just came back from town, about 2 miles from me at the end of our side road, one of my neighbors plowing with a new 200hp + New Holland conventional 4x4 and a 3 year old 8 bottom semi-mount roll over plow. What do you suppose that plow cost? I'm thinking it put one hell of a dent in $50,000. I remember when I bought my IH 5x16 semi-mount new in 1975 for $2,000., a new 4 bottom roll over was over $5,000.

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Allan In NE

11-07-2006 09:45:51




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-07-2006 09:06:52  
No, no no!

I don't think you are "nuts" at all.

Different people do it in different ways and I just didn't understand how you guys covered all the bases is all.

Allan



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BOBM25

11-07-2006 08:53:42




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2006 08:21:19  
We call them end rows here in Oh. You just make each end of the field its own land. You treat it the same as any other land, plow it in one year and out the next time.



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Allan In NE

11-07-2006 09:46:45




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to BOBM25, 11-07-2006 08:53:42  
Bingo!

There ya go! Thanks Bob,

Allan



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sd pete

11-07-2006 06:23:33




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 Re: Plowing with Fasthitch in reply to Jeff P , 11-07-2006 05:12:57  
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