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Roger Mills

12-15-2006 08:27:00




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Which light styles were used on what and when?? I see the teardrop ones with bulb and lens, or sealed beam, also ones with stepped housing. I have '44 A and '47 IA and lights are missing. A is batt and Delco gen. IA is no bat and Bosch. (I use an external battery and have installed starter on IA for now). Parts books show both but no year or serial number.




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Roger Mills

12-16-2006 08:22:50




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 08:27:00  
OEM shows the rubber gasket for the "old style" but I haven't called them yet. All three of these are there but only parts of them. A great point about the chrome vs nickel plating I just called him and was told the same thing and he was going to use nickel anyway. He has a small specialty shop and does things like the knobs on old Ford shifters etc. per A freind with a 9N. The switch is a toggle not a rotary--should it be?? I did a Minnie Mo Z a while back that had a black knob rotary switch on the rear lite. If so I saw switches like that at a local electronics wholesale house-not RS.

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Roger Mills

12-15-2006 09:50:10




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 08:27:00  
Thanks Randy, I think I will do the jewel type for the rear--seems to match better. What about the mount bars--they are also missing. The A has the rear bar mount under the seat and IA has it outboard. I have seen pix with short front on left but OEM and YT say short on right??



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SuperA-Tx

12-15-2006 11:49:27




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 09:50:10  
Long bar on left and short on right. Look at it from the front and you can tell it will balance it out. You might also want to order the square headed bolts that hold the bar onto the tractor if they arent there.

My SA has the tear drop lights, no piggy back red one (Combo).
Just had a guy in here tho that had a combo light. He was sure excited to see my SA. Im trying to get him to fix his up now.

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Roger Mills

12-15-2006 15:18:59




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-15-2006 11:49:27  
Thanks SA, I ordered all three and the sq. head bolts and nuts from OEM, Int. red powder coat and good price for set. A guy hereabouts has a very beat up yellow parts IA but it had all the lights and bars etc. I just got the set for $30. They are black and the rear one has the jewel lite inside still OK but switch bad. Chrome shop here can re do the reflectors for $25 for all three. Sockets OK and with new bulbs they work. Lenses not cracked, small chip on edge of one you can't see with rim on.

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Randy as in Randy-IA

12-15-2006 16:38:57




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 15:18:59  
Hi Roger , That's a good deal you got on those lights ! And the price to get the reflectors chromed ? He must be family ! But something to think about - The original reflectors didn't have chrome on them , they had a nickle plating . The way I understand it is the brass base material can't handle the chroming process very well but don't quote me on that . Chrome was as expensive then as it is now so that's probably why it wasn't done to things not normally out in the weather . I had a couple of reflectors re-nickled this year and it cost me more for one than you're getting three done for but they turned out looking show room new . The switch , if you are careful , can be taken apart and cleaned up enough to work like new . If you have the metal or plastic knob you are one up on me . Of the lights I've bought to get parts from none had knobs . But it's not a big deal right now , I don't have them on the tractor yet - a long winded work in progress and I'm in no hurry it'll be there when I'm ready to get to it . They're all painted but the tractor isn't . Might try and sell the pretty ones and get some beat up ones to put back on the tractor ;) Take care ...Randy

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Wardner

12-15-2006 17:55:19




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 12-15-2006 16:38:57  
I thought original finish on reflectors was silver. Silver has the highest reflectance of all metals at something like 98%. I think it is quite likely that you got nickel because that is the second step in high quality triple chrome plating; the first being copper and the last, chrome. Your plating shop probably didn't have a silver tank. Most of the nickel plate I have seen has been on coal and wood stove trim.

To give you an indication of how long ago I had reflectors re-silvered, I paid $5 per each on a pair of Graham Brothers Truck lights. Must have been in the '70s

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SuperA-Tx

12-15-2006 18:41:35




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Wardner, 12-15-2006 17:55:19  
I just used a can of that heat resistant aluminum paint to spray mine with and it worked out real good. Used that on the gas cap and radiator too after a trail and error. I had used the regular aluminum spray paint first but it came off when you rubbed it. That heat resistant paint is pretty good stuff.

Roger, theres a rubber gasket around the light body that the lens sits on then the ring that you screw down to hold it all together. You'll need that rubber gasket to make it all tight and water resistant. Mine were all gone cept one and it was all tore up.

OEM sells them, they arent expensive.

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CNKS

12-15-2006 08:35:00




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 08:27:00  
Your tractors both should have the teardrop style. The "flatback" or stepped housing as you call it sealed beams did not appear until the Super M/H appeared, or shortly after SM production started. Not sure when they were first installed on the Super A series, but the non-Super series all had the teardrop, with bulbs.



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Andrew Z

12-15-2006 09:35:03




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to CNKS, 12-15-2006 08:35:00  
From what I'v read and heard they started with the flat back sealed beam sometime in 1953.

Andrew



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Roger Mills

12-15-2006 08:48:20




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to CNKS, 12-15-2006 08:35:00  
Thanks, I got confused when the A parts book shows both. What about the rear light? Red jewel lite or not?



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Randy as in Randy-IA

12-15-2006 09:29:56




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Roger Mills, 12-15-2006 08:48:20  
Hi , I'm going to step out on a limb here and say this about the rear light - any of them will do because the jewelled light and the piggyback were both options , a work light was standard ( same as the fronts ) , at least on the larger tractors . So there's the limb , cut it out from under me and I'll learn some more :) ...Randy



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RustyFarmall

12-15-2006 13:53:28




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 12-15-2006 09:29:56  
Randy, you are 100% correct, and if you dig deep enough into the parts books, you will find that lights of any kind, front or rear, were optional.



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CNKS

12-15-2006 11:53:15




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 Re: Which light styles in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 12-15-2006 09:29:56  
No limb -- there are many options that were added after production started, -- I doubt if the combo light was a day one thing. No serial breaks. Correct police are mostly useless.



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