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Fuel consumption on a C-264

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Wardner

09-02-2007 00:09:43

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I don't know if IH ever published graphs on pounds of fuel per hour per HP.

Anyone care to guess what a C-264 would use running at about 900 RPM and meeting the continuous full load needs of a 10,000W generator? I am assuming that power level will require less than 20HP and be available at 900 RPM.

Let's not talk about PTO gear ratios. The generator will be run at 60 cycles per second using the proper pullies.

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Wardner

09-02-2007 16:20:43

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Wardner, 09-02-2007 00:09:43

Well, Jim, I suppose I should have mentioned that I may use my Electrall. Diesel is not an option unless I put it on my 660D. That tractor is ballasted to more than twice the weight of my 400s and SMTAs and not very portable.

I mentioned several months ago that I was thinking of making an ice cream tractor. One of the options is to use the Electrall. I will gear it up so that the gas or LP engine is just loafing but producing enough power to run the Electrall to its capacity. The generator could run a variety of things that might include the mixer/freezer tubs (probably four), electric clutches, water pumps (high and low pressure) refrigerated dipping cabinet, AC lights, ice maker, and maybe an instantaneous hot water heater to boost temperatures from a heat exchanger to scalding. There are alot of different components and some of them will probably run off the side and rear PTOs. I'd like to get hired by large company recreation departments, so I am not cutting any corners on the food safety issues. Salmonella and colliform bacteria are hazards with ice cream.

At this point, I am wondering what my daily fuel bill will be. If I use five gallons per hour for six hours, the cost for fuel could approach $100. This is about ten times the fuel cost of people using hit or miss engines. Ya, there are a bunch of people doing this and they even have a website. Punch the link.

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Janicholson

09-02-2007 21:01:26

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Wardner, 09-02-2007 16:20:43

I now see where you are going with this process. I was thinking of maximizing total efficiency for home emergency backup.

There is good news from me. I think the total load (assuming a 50% efficiency on the generator, and that 1 kilowatt = 1.34102209 HP would be in the area of 20 to 25 hp running everything. From another source for C-264 consumption---According to the engine manual, the M (gas) will burn 3.30 to 3.41 gallons per hour at rated load speed. I think it would be closer to 2 gallons per hour. JimN

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Wardner

09-02-2007 21:46:50

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Janicholson, 09-02-2007 21:01:26

Thanks for the estimate, Jim.

Of all my tractors, I am considering the F400, which already has the Electrall, or the W400, which is propane powered and will accept the Electrall.

I like the F400 because it has a fast hitch but, on the other hand, I like the W400 because I might want to use some of its fuel for other purposes later on. Maybe a grill, for instance.

Disregarding the grill, which fuel do you think would be better and/or cheaper to run under partial load?

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Janicholson

09-02-2007 12:42:54

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Wardner, 09-02-2007 00:09:43

Between the age of the equipment, the use of unknown efficiency of drive belts (gilmer style cog belts are pretty good, V belts are very bad), the variable load applied by a variable demand for electricity in the application it is being used for, the variability of the mixture at part throttle, and the differences in fuel from the days of yore, any guess will be just that. If in doubt at this point, use a 4 stroke diesel surplus engine, free up the tractor, and size the engine for near full power output at the rated load of the gen. Most engines are best at full load and RPM in terms of efficiency. JimN

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Wardner

09-02-2007 11:49:37

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Wardner, 09-02-2007 00:09:43

Thanks for the reply but that's not exactly what I am looking for. I need consumption at partial load and reduced RPM.
I was hoping someone could point me to a graph or had experience running an undersized pump, blower or auger for extended periods.

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ejr-IA.

09-02-2007 11:05:19

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Re: Fuel consumption on a C-264 in reply to Wardner, 09-02-2007 00:09:43

Neb. state test shows a super M at 12 HP hourspower hours per gallon at rated load.

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