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How loose can a dry sleeve be?

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Uncle Fester

09-17-2007 10:09:24




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On my H, two of the new sleeves required a medium tapping with a wood block for the last couple of inches. On cylinders 1 and 2 I could push them in all the way by hand. It's not the sleeves, I tried swapping them around and the fit was the same. There is no slop, there is a light drag all the way down as I pushed them in.




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MN Scott

09-17-2007 19:02:32




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
The correct fix is to either fit the block with a repair sleeve and fit your sleeve inside that sleeve or find an oversize sleeve and hone your block to fit it. The oldtimers around here coat a loose sleeve with strong iodine. Then install it making sure not to get any on the crank or places were you don't want rust. That sleeve will be permanatlly rusted in and you will have exellent heat transfer ect. Done it my self on my SH, still running fine. The trouble with a loose sleeve is the vibrations will crack that top lip off the sleeve and it will get sucked into the crank. A low rpm H or M is not as bad as the high speed 6 bangers but you still don't want them loose.

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Janicholson

09-17-2007 13:47:07




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
The sleves crack at the rim and are sucked down into the rod area just a bit, then the rings pop out into the gap and it is sucked into violent decomposition. The book is correct. A sleeve (cold as a freezer will make it) should slip in about i/4 to 1/3 the way then require either block of wood pounding with a two pound hammer, or a sleev installer. Bores are lettered in most tractors next to the hole A B C D. If you have a C or D hole, the aftermarket sleeves will likely be loose. Do not believe plastic will conduct heat well it does not. JimN

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jakee

09-17-2007 13:33:26




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
most drop in about 3/4 ofthe way then drive them or press them in, use lock-tite they make some just for sleves,yes there is a lip at the top and the book says it may be 0 or .006 above the deck.if they are to lose they will end up in the oil pan in a million pises.



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Daniel Bear Kelley

09-17-2007 12:01:18




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 Doesn't an H have wet sleeves? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
Don"t the H and M have wet sleeves, not dry sleeves?



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glennster

09-17-2007 12:51:38




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 Re: Doesn't an H have wet sleeves? in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 09-17-2007 12:01:18  
nope dry sleeves. the a and b have wet sleeves, probably the c too, but i'm not sure on the c.



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El Toro

09-17-2007 15:31:01




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 Re: Doesn't an H have wet sleeves? in reply to glennster, 09-17-2007 12:51:38  
The C and Super C have wet sleeves. Hal



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glennster

09-17-2007 11:52:18




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
i put the sleeves in the freezer overnite and they drop right in. as long as they are snug in the bore and not sloppy, put some locktite medium strenght in a few spots around the sleeve and drop em in.



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El Toro

09-17-2007 10:50:28




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 10:09:24  
They should be a pressed fit. Being loose there's nothing to prevent the sleeve from being
pulled down by the piston, then major engine damage can occur. Hal



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Uncle Fester

09-17-2007 11:09:05




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to El Toro, 09-17-2007 10:50:28  
The sleeve has a lip at the top that sits in a counterbore in the block. It can't go down and the head keeps in from going up. I'm more concerned about expansion, heat transfer etc.



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El Toro

09-17-2007 11:24:46




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to Uncle Fester, 09-17-2007 11:09:05  
I should've read my IH manual. The manual says to press or drive the sleeves into the block with a light coating of grease on the sleeves. Hal



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Mike Farmer

09-17-2007 11:54:05




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 Re: How loose can a dry sleeve be? in reply to El Toro, 09-17-2007 11:24:46  
Within sensible reason(more than hand tight) providing it is not letting water leak into the oil sump/pan



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