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Mike CA

09-27-2007 15:07:34




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I read the thread where the guy was asking what type of oilt to use in an H. Diesel rated sounded like a good plan. However, my engine hasn't run in several years, and I think it's gonna be pretty bad on the inside. What is a "Detergent" oil? What kind of oil should I get to run through it to clean it up, then I can change that oil after the engine is cleaned up. How long should I run the cleaning oil before a change to the long term diesel rated?

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sammy the RED

09-29-2007 22:08:37




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
You will be fine useing a good quality, brand name 30 wt oil.



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Mike CA

09-28-2007 08:51:29




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
What about oil additives? Is there something like Marvel Miracle Oil, or something else (I haven't looked or asked yet) that would be good to put in it for the first run to start clearing out any sludge or buildup that may be sitting in there?



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Bob Kerr

09-28-2007 20:22:51




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-28-2007 08:51:29  
Mike, did you replace the oil pan yet? That is where most of the crud will be, that and on top of the head which shouln"t be too much there and isn"t critical to clean unless oil return holes are clogged up. I wouldn"t use anything liquid to loosen up the crud as on these engines, the oil filter only filters a percentage of the oil through a metering oriface, Not all of the oil going to the bearings. Get the crud loose, some of it will circulate through the engine. The only way to be sure is to pull the oil pan off and clean it out. When that crud settles out and sits in the bottom of the pan, it sets up like concrete and stays put.

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Steven f/AZ

09-28-2007 14:08:59




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-28-2007 08:51:29  
I have used Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) in the past to help unstick rings and valves. Whether or not it helped, I can"t tell you because they may have just come loose from the heat cycling on their own.



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Andy Martin

09-28-2007 05:58:38




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
Some people think detergent oil cleans the engine. It only keeps particles in suspension so the oil filter can get them. It will not clean sludge, or break it loose.



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Bob Kerr

09-28-2007 07:11:35




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Andy Martin, 09-28-2007 05:58:38  
Amen Andy, Detergent oil doesn't clean them out. I suspect a lot of people think that because of that old Mobile add for oil that looked like a washing machine and drive your engine clean slogan. I have scrapped many junk engines that had detergent oil in them and were full of crud but that was just from poor maitenance. One I saw caused a rod to start knocking because they flooded the engine badly and then later got it running and drove it without checking anything. The next day the rod went. Gas had gotten into the crankcase past the rings and was about 3 inches up past full on the stick. The gas cleaned everything inside and the crud settled out overnight and burried the oil pickup screen. Next day no oil pressure and poof! when I pulled the drain plug nothing came out until I poked it with a wire. That was on a 4 year old at the time, Aerostar minivan a customer brought in. and there was a lot of crud in there from an engine that had always had detergent oil in it. Regular changes is the key to keeping one clean.

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John M

09-28-2007 03:34:46




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
You need to check with the guy you got it from and see when the engine was overhauled, if it was, and what oil he used. When in dought, use the non-detergent, then over time, work the detergent oil in. I had only one tractor I could not find out about, or didnt know about.I used straight non detergent on first oil change, then swapped a quart for one non detergent, then two, then three, so on and so on until I got to all detergent. This way, any sludge that may have been in there was SLOWLY disolved. I kept that tractor 9 years and not once had a oil problem, or ever dropped the pan on it.

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STEWARTINPA

09-28-2007 02:43:13




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
MIKE SAE 30 IS WHAT THE BOOK CALLS FOR THAT IS WHAT I HAVE RAN IN MINE AND MY GRANDFATHER BEFORE ME. RUN IT FOR A FEW HOURS IF IT LOOKS REAL DIRTY AFTER THAT CHANGE IT. I HOPE THIS HELPS STEWART



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Bob Kerr

09-27-2007 19:50:58




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
Mike, Just run straight HD 30 wt of a brand of your choice. That is what the book calls for and is what My Grandpa always used in his Ms and IH 300. Since you are in So Cal it will be warm enough for that grade for all year. Don"t run the non detergent as another said and I would even stay away from Diesel engine oil since it has way more detergent. The last filter I got was a wix from O"reilly auto parts and it was cheap! Good grade of filter but inexpensive. Just remember there was a long filter and a short one for Hs. The long one is like you will see on an M.

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Steven f/AZ

09-27-2007 15:40:36




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
All modern oils have detergents in them - detergents keep the "junk" suspended in the oil so it gets caught in the filter and drained out when you change oil.

The exception would be oil that is specifically labeled "non-detergent" which can still be found. DO NOT USE THIS NON-DETERGENT OIL. There is a 99.9% chance that your tractor has already been run with regular, detergent oil.

If you are concerned about "junk" in the pan, block, and valve cover - remove the oil pan, valve cover, and side cover to take a look inside. If there is junk, scrape it out, rinse it out with a solvent of some type, etc. Put it back together with fresh oil (whatever you are going to use for the long-run) and run it. If the oil looks real dirty right away, only run a few hours and change it. After that, I would change it once a year at most for what you plan to use the tractor.

Which oil should you use? I stand by my suggestion for a diesel-rate oil (the zinc). We run the CaseIH 15w-40 in everything at home, never had an oil related failure in 40 years of running CIH oil. My brother runs Rotella in his Cummins pickups - the 98 has 175k on it and doesn"t burn a drop yet.

As for me, I know how much money I have into my overhaul and it will be Mobil Delvac 1 5w-40 as long as I own the tractor.

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IndianaRed

09-27-2007 15:22:55




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 Re: Starting oil suggestion in reply to Mike CA, 09-27-2007 15:07:34  
Hey Mike, I bet the Vets will say it doesn't matter. And rookie me was even thinking with as few hours as you're going to be running it I don't think it will matter either. I just left a thread in that Oil posting you mentioned, was telling everyone how the M my Grandad/Unlce use for baling sits all winter and gets woken up for baling end of May each spring. Oil hasn't been changed in years, they add a few quarts and out she goes, and runs great. I doubt you need to invest in special oil. Tough old engines with big tolerances for all that junk to fit through. Save your money for something else it needs. I'm over $3k into mine, and I still need rims and tires.

I know how you feel though, I even put Lucas Oil in mine.

Good Luck!

Bri

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