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battery terminal meltdown today- stuck solenoid??

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ironandsteel

05-17-2008 18:31:46




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Today I had a little problem on my new 1963 IH 806 that I've been discussing here.

At the moment, this thing is wired for 24v and I believe has the original 12v starter. So, it spins that big diesel quite smartly.

I had been driving it around and shut it off. When I came back a few minutes later I hit the starter. It turned over a bit and I let the starter off too early- it didn't quite start.

When I pressed the starter again, I think I just bumped it, and I looked down and one of the battery terminals was arcing and sputtering molten lead where it had melted the battery clamp, which acted like a fuse.

When I tried touching the now severed cable back to the remains of the battery clamp, it was like a welder- there was basically a dead short, or maybe the solenoid was stuck on.

I went over and tapped the solenoid with a piece of rebar to unstick it and this seemd to work. I touched the cable to batt terminal again, and it was back to normal again.

So- just to get it started so I could get home (this happen at the neighhbors farm), I vice gripped the battery wire onto the remains of the clamp and tried to start. It kindof felt like when your battery is real low- a click and shudder. But then when I let off the starter button, I was back to drawing lots of current and I quick yanked off the vice grips.

I just got this tractor a week ago. And there is no charging system on the batteries yet- I've been starting it all week on the charge that was there.

Tonight I put chargers on both batteries and I'll try to get her going tomorrow. I'm thinking that the batts got worn down to a point where they couldn't turn it over after a couple rounds of stuck solenoid and welding.

The question is this- should I pull the starter and see if there is something I can lubricate in the solenoid? I don't know if it is possible for mere mortals to get the solenoid apart or not.

Maybe just to get it going, I'll bypass the solenoid.

Help!

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trucker40

05-18-2008 09:49:39




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 Re: battery terminal meltdown today- stuck solenoid?? in reply to ironandsteel, 05-17-2008 18:31:46  
If you can take the solenoid apart,it will probly have places where its tried to weld itself to the plunger.To fix it grind it smooth,I have even brazed it back up and ground it flat,or if you can turn it over.On the starter,it sounds like its dragging.I dont know where you can get an amp guage that you put on a starter cable,but if you can find one I bet its pulling 400 amps.That would mean it needs to be rebuilt.Probly the reason its wired for 24 volts,it got to where 12 volts wouldnt crank it.

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GordoSD

05-17-2008 18:42:09




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 Re: battery terminal meltdown today- stuck solenoid?? in reply to ironandsteel, 05-17-2008 18:31:46  
Those should be 2 6 volt batteries, giving you a DEEP 12 volt system. Are they real long and narrow with three caps? I hope you used a 6 volt cahrger if they are.

GW



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ironandsteel

05-17-2008 18:55:57




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 Re: battery terminal meltdown today- stuck solenoid?? in reply to GordoSD, 05-17-2008 18:42:09  
I know they are supposed to be 6v. There are currently 2 12v batts on there (6 month old JD strongbox- great batteries), in series for 24v. The former owner mistakenly assumed that this was supposed to have 24v. And the gauges aren't hooked up anyway, so it works. And you don't run the starter long enough that it will get fried.

I'm planning to wire them in parallel for 12v and wire up a delco alternator.

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