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Newbie To TO35

01-21-2005 06:41:15




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I am a newbie to these tractors. I just bought a TO35, it seems to be in great shape with only a few minor things that need attention. I would like to change all of the oils since I don't know when the last time this tractor has seen an oil change. What grade of oil and how much do you need for each section (Engine, Tranny, Axel, Hydrualics and Power Steering)?

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John (UK)

01-21-2005 12:38:18




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 Re: Oil in reply to Newbie To TO35, 01-21-2005 06:41:15  
This reply coms from a regular contributor on here Jeff.Oh. He givers a lot of detail about it and just where you can buy it in USA. Excellent article. Please Read:-

The original type fluid is a GL-1 90 wt. mineral oil. The GL stands for Gear Lube... Note this is not gear oil. Original MF# is M1103 and is available at a MF dealer for ~$38/5 gal. SW Ohio GL-1 is available but you have to look.
In my yellow pages I looked up oil distributors and found a Shell Oil distributor. Shell's GL-1 is called Dentax and goes for ~$37.00/5 gal. As you saw TSC has GL-1 (Ford Transmission oil) for $36.00 / 5 gal. Best Price and Place I found for 90 wt. GL-1 mineral oil is at NAPA ask for Part number 65-205. Cost $26.29 for 5 gal. They can get it with-in a day or two depending on location. Go with the GL-1 not the thinner 1129A. If TSC is your only local supplier go with the Ford Transmission fluid, but have them get you a 5 gal can as it is cheaper per gallon.
By Jeff-Oh….YT tractors Aug 10 2004
just for your information if you have a Napa store close by they can order GL1 for you ,its part #65-205,i get it from them only a few days wait.
TSC sell a product made by Traveller called "Ford Tractor Transmission Fluid". It is marked GL1 on the containers and says "for use in all final drives, hydraulic systems and manual transmissions of Ford tractors manufactured 1939-1952". 5 gallon buckets are about $30.00, and 2 gallon jugs are $16.00. Hope that this is helpful. With acknowledgement to Jeff.Oh. for this.

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Newbie To TO35

01-22-2005 10:47:35




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 Re: Oil in reply to John (UK), 01-21-2005 12:38:18  
John, Great info!!! Thanks!



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John (UK)

01-21-2005 12:41:44




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 Re: Oil in reply to John (UK), 01-21-2005 12:38:18  
Now something I forgot to say.... There are 3 drain plugs underneath, gearbox/hydraulics/rear axle if you drain them all completely it takes exactly 24 US quarts to fuill it to the correct level, It does take a while to level out so you can read the dipstick, but if you put in that amount it will be correct.



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Newbie To TO35

01-21-2005 07:32:54




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 Forgot Something. in reply to Newbie To TO35, 01-21-2005 06:41:15  
It has the Continental Gas Engine just incase the oil type and quantity is different than the other options.



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Mr Chapp

01-21-2005 18:33:48




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to Newbie To TO35, 01-21-2005 07:32:54  
Hi "New." ... Of course the GL1 is correct. I'm in "sunny Florida" and prefer 20w50 for my to20 engine. The climate makes a difference. If you're truly new, the ..w.. numbers are viscosity, or, resistance to flow. Hihger numbers, thicker oil. Multi vis oils perform as a lower number when cold, and a higher number when hot (majic) Again this is for engine oil. For the hydraulics use the GL1. Have fun with your new toy..!! Mike

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Newbie To TO35

01-22-2005 07:33:11




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to Mr Chapp, 01-21-2005 18:33:48  
It nice to see that there are people that like to be very helpful, Thanks. However I'm not quite that new, I am an aircraft mechanic and understand viscosity. I need to get a set of manuals for this machine but wanted to get the oil changed before the snow sets in. But still thanks for being so willing to help. Someone sent me a Ferguson Service Bulletin that has the recommended oils.



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Jerry/MT

01-21-2005 12:02:08




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to Newbie To TO35, 01-21-2005 07:32:54  
I'll give you the same advice I'd give anybody. First off, order a factory owner's manual, a factory service manual(s) and a parts manual. All the info that you need is right there and the explanations about how the systems work is a big help when you have to trouble shoot. All the spec for lubricants are right there as well as quanities required.
Having made that speech, a multivis oil to the latest automotive API spec, 10W30 or 10W40 would be my recommendation for the engine. Others will disagree with that but I use 10W40 in my TO-30 Ferguson. These modern oils are soooo much better than what was availbale when these machines were built. Good Luck and welcome to the world of vintage tractors.

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John (UK)

01-21-2005 12:31:41




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-21-2005 12:02:08  
Couldn"t agree with you more Jerry, modern oils for the engine are much better, only thing I would be worried about is if it has a lot of hours on the clock and it washes all the carbon out.



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Jerry/MT

01-21-2005 19:29:15




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to John (UK), 01-21-2005 12:31:41  
Hi John,
You know I hear a lot of folks say that the detergent in the oil will cause the oil system on an old engine to clog up, but I have never had a bad experience with this in an old engine nor have I seen documented evidence that it can happen. There is a lot of anecdotal information, but no hard technical facts.



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John (UK)

01-22-2005 06:14:23




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-21-2005 19:29:15  
Hi Jerry, It isn"t the clogging up of oilways that bothers me, its the possiblity of the carbon being cleaned away that has formed on an older engine and that the seal(s) it has created will no longer be there resulting in premature excess oil consumption. I agree that detergent oils are very much better but possibly in newer engines or ones in better condition.



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Mr Chapp

01-22-2005 07:27:11




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 Re: Forgot Something. in reply to John (UK), 01-22-2005 06:14:23  
HI John, Jerry & Newbie. I did fail to mention that the engine in my tractor has had a recent rebuild, however, IF oil has been changed on a regular basis I don't really think it would matter, do you? Mike



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Newbie To TO35

01-22-2005 08:34:59




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 Food for thought! in reply to Mr Chapp, 01-22-2005 07:27:11  
Well being a mechanic and having rebuilt many engines over the years I have seen the effects of mineral oil causing slug and carbon build up and I have to side with the “Don’t Do That” philosophy. Switching to detergent oil in an engine that has run mineral oil for years will break down carbon deposits. Now the problem isn’t so much in clogging your oil system though in a real extreme case I wouldn’t rule that out. It has to do more with the detergent breaking the carbon deposits down into small particles and suspending them in the oil. Carbon being one of the hardest elements will case abnormal ware to bearing surfaces and engine components. The worse I have seen was severe ware in Main and Rod bearings resulting in low oil pressure along with cylinder wall scoring. It's as bad as having sand in your oil. This carbon does it damage as it breaks down and goes through the oil system and eventually gets picked up in the filter but with an almost endless supply of carbon build up continuously breaking down in the detergent oil the damage can be severe. Now that doesn’t mean that every engine run on mineral oil will have a bad carbon problem, if the owner routinely changed the oil and filter there shouldn’t be a problem and switching over would be fine. My problem is I don’t know this tractors history so I think I will play it safe and run the straight weight mineral oil for now. In the spring I will drop the oil pan and inspect the crankcase, if the back of the pistons are reasonably free of carbon deposits I’ll go ahead and switch it over. If not I will have to some up the situation and decide on a course of action to get it cleaned out. A mixture of Multi Weight Oil, Marvels Magic Mystery Oil and a little Kerosene has work well for me in the past though it is expensive changing the oil and filter every 10-20 hours until it is cleaned out but a rebuild and the time to do it costs more.

By the way I am a newbie to these tractors but have been a mechanic for 22 years now and make living as an Aircraft Mechanic. I do enjoy these discussions, they make you think and I always learn something new.

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aussie_tea20

04-04-2005 19:41:50




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 Re: Food for thought! in reply to Newbie To TO35, 01-22-2005 08:34:59  
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