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Help! - PTO shaft cover

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FredH

01-30-2006 11:12:21




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New TO30 owner - Can anyone shed some light on how to remove the PTO shaft cover on my TO30? I understand that the entire PTO shaft assembly is held in place by the 4 bolts that surround the bearing housing in the rear of the tractor. Once I remove the bolts the entire long PTO assembly will pull out from deep inside the tractor quiet easily. However, I can not figure out how the the external PTO shaft cover which has the grease fitting is removed. This is the external splined short shaft that you connect your implements to. It has a grease nipple fitting on one side and an allen type set screw on the other, perhaps for an additional grease fitting. There is a considerable amount of play between this PTO shaft cover and the actual PTO shaft and I want to tighten it up but I can't remove it to see how to do so. The service manual just says to remove it but doesn't explain how...Should I be concerned with what I consider to be a lot of play in the PTO shaft cover and the PTO shaft? It can be wiggled around with about a 1/2 to 1 inch of play. Perhaps is it twisted on the PTO shaft spline and won't come off? Please help....Thanks

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FredH

01-30-2006 13:08:14




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to FredH, 01-30-2006 11:12:21  
Thanks guys! That clears it up for me...Sounds like I just need a new OCR and to verify the inside dimensions to the PTO shaft...I really appreciate the input.



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Jim in OH

01-30-2006 13:42:49




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to FredH, 01-30-2006 13:08:14  
The dimensions mentioned are OD [at the tops of the splines(largest dimensions)] of the male shafts... Jim...



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Jim in OH

01-30-2006 11:27:19




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to FredH, 01-30-2006 11:12:21  
Sounds to me like you are talking about the over-runnning clutch (ORC) Is it like the picture below? (if not, then ignore the discussion that follows below)

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but if it is.. then there is a roll pin (sometimes a solid pin) that goes through the shaft to hold the ORC onto the tractor PTO shaft. to remove the pin, remove both the grease fitting and the plug (or fitting) on the other side, rotate until you see the pin.. (might be covered with grease) then drive it out with a punch or other driver (a nail)...

Jim

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Barry from Stirling

01-30-2006 14:15:37




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to Jim in OH, 01-30-2006 11:27:19  
Hi Jim
Kinda off the topic, but that trailer hitch in the picture, can one of those be adapted to a TEA-2085?



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D.B.T.P.

01-31-2006 03:32:28




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to Barry from Stirling, 01-30-2006 14:15:37  
Barry, If it's only a trailer hitch your needin' call me!!!!!



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Jim in OH

01-30-2006 14:23:42




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 Re: Help! - Hitch?? John(UK) ?? TEA-2085?? in reply to Barry from Stirling, 01-30-2006 14:15:37  
I don't know the 2085.... If it has the same PTO setup (4 bolt diamond pattern) and the four 5/8" NC holes under the rear case, I would think that it would... I put John(UK)in the title, 'cause he would know.. but he might be "under the weather" 'cause I haven't heard him around here for some time now...

If you want to make sure it gets answered, I'd start a new thread...

Jim



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Jim in OH

01-30-2006 14:40:08




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 Re: Help! - Hitch?? John(UK) ?? TEA-2085?? in reply to Jim in OH, 01-30-2006 14:23:42  
I searched the achives, and I think that John answered as per the link below... Also, here is a picture that shows where you have to attach.. there are eight places to bolt... four around the PTO and four under the case..
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I think that you previously indicated that you didn't have the four bolt holes on the bottom of your tractor... if not, then this would not work.. drilling holes doesn't sound like something that I want to try..

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FredH

01-30-2006 11:44:19




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to Jim in OH, 01-30-2006 11:27:19  
Thank you! That's it! I knew it had to be something simple and you are correct, it is covered with grease and I couldn't see how to remove it. The book doesn't mention a holding pin...Should I be concerned with the play and will it get worse unless I do something? Maybe the pin is getting worn and causing it to have a lot of play?



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Jeff-oh

01-30-2006 12:55:34




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to FredH, 01-30-2006 11:44:19  
Fred,

The looseness is not the PTO shaft, as Jim said it is the OCR. These are available at any store that sells tractor parts (~$50).

BTW: What an OCR does is an important safety function. The PTO shaft is directly connected to the drive gears inside. This is why you loose PTO power when you engage the clutch.

Think about this... If the drive gear runs the PTO, then... The PTO can run the drive gear. Where this is important. When you run a high momentum energy implement (mower) when you engage the clutch you dis-engage the motor from the drive shaft, however you do not disengage the PTO (as they are directly linked) Thus the energy in the spinning mower can an will continue to drive the tractor forward. An obvious hazard if driving near trees, ditches, revines, hillsides, etc.

To ad a note to PTO spline size... Standard spline size today is 1 3/8" origonal splines on Fergusons were 1 1/8" The output on your OCR is likely 1 3/8" you can visually see the dia. difference when held up next to each other (Male ends) Another cause for the looseness if very bad is you have 1 1/8" PTO and a 1 3/8" input side OCR. If this is the case you will need to buy a new OCR of proper dimensions before you mow.

Jeff

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Aaron Ford

01-30-2006 15:40:39




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to Jeff-oh, 01-30-2006 12:55:34  
Justr a little aside to this,

My father was brush-hogging some outerlying areas of our farm when it came to dinnertime. He parked the tractor near the driveway and with the PTO engaged and the brush-hog still spinning (slightly elevated), jumped off. That's all it took. The brush-hog (now directly connected to the wheels) propelled the tractor down across the driveway, past the greenhouse, through the garden and (just before it broke over to the seriously steep stuff) it caught on two small pine trees on the fenceline. The trees looked to small to hold much of anything, much less a Massey 135, but they gave just enough to arrest the tractor. I am sure it had something to do with the fact that there were two and they were flexible (kinda the smae theory as those laminated scaffold boards). It was a sight seeing that tractor standing up on it's rears leaning on that brushhog. The important thing here was no one was hurt. Subpoints are that we all learned a valuable lesson while no major equipment was destroyed. It was during the Reagan years and we did not have a pot or a window, so it very likely would have put us out of business.

Several years later, my stepfather (a wonderful man) performed exactly the same stunt in the same location. The only difference was the brand new Chevy truck that was parked in the drive (Clinton Years). Good thing it was there, that tractor may have never stopped.....

Equipment operatiojn has a steep learning curve. And some lessons are just expensive.....

Thanks Aaron

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Jim in OH

01-30-2006 12:29:47




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 Re: Help! - PTO shaft cover in reply to FredH, 01-30-2006 11:44:19  
What the book calls a PTO cover, is infact just a cover that screws into the flange to cover the short shaft... i.e. (thanks to a pic on ebay)
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What it sounds like to me is that the ORC bearings are worn out. It will just get worse... You could take it off and rebuild it and still have a used part, or for about $50 you can get a new one... be sure to check shaft sizes because the ORC comes in 3 flavors... 1-1/8" to 1-1/8", 1-1/8" to 1-3/8", and 1-3/8 to 1-3/8"... If you have an original type PTO, it will probalby be the middle one... And unless you PTO shaft is dripping oil at the tractor, I'd leave that alone for now... JIm

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