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Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ?

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Billy NY

08-23-2007 06:19:51




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I've got one on my 850 that the rod is stuck into the fork, it looks slightly bent, been stuck like that since before I owned it, just curious, hard to get a bite on the rod with a pipe wrench, don't want to ruin the fork casting, was going to try and salvage it, the crank works, just that darned rod and fork, looks like an orginal part that one would hate to ruin, knowing there are lots of generic ones around. Wondering if anyone had any tricks in getting a solid grip on these 2 pieces without damaging them, have soaked in industrial penetrant, have not used any heat on them.

Part# NCA-579-B is stuck to NCA-585-B. I found a nice complete one hanging at the farm, looks to be for a later model, must be '65 and up, but it is too short and the hole diameter for the pin (part # 9N-595 pin) is a different diameter where it pins to the rock shaft, thought I found one, think again LOL ! The obvious answer is to replace the unit, but thought I'd give it a shot before doing so.

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Stephen R. Horton (Tx)

08-24-2007 09:43:16




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 06:19:51  
I broke mine just the other night. Was mowing and lifted up the mower and the threads gave out and it pulled loose from the fork. That side of the mower fell and hit the ground. I'm planning on ordering a new one; no big deal. However, it was a big sobering, as I usually lift the mower up when I finish and crawl underneath to scrape the muck out of it. Glad I wasn't under it when it gave out. Whew. -stephen

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Billy NY

08-24-2007 11:15:27




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Stephen R. Horton (Tx), 08-24-2007 09:43:16  
Talk about lack of thread engagement, was it adjusted out or could it have vibrated loose towards the end of the threads ? That is something I've never heard of happening, besides trusting the hydraulics, one forgets secondary things like what you described happened. Another example to never trust anything without it being blocked up properly or otherwise secured, good thing you did not get under there.

The only time I've ever got close to getting under the rotary mower is to give the blades a sharpen, but I can lay flat outside of the deck area and reach under to the blades quite easily, using short 6x6 timbers, while it's still hooked to the 3 pt pto disconnected. With 2 6x6's perpendicular to the deck, can't fall side ways, but the timbers could roll forward if nudged enough. Would have to build cribbing/falswork under it to be completely safe. Other than sharpening, I flip it over to work on it, front end loader is indispensible for this purpose, without it, would be real difficult to work on.

Time to have at it, see if mine will free up, ought to be interesting, I think the entire assembly is like $100 for one of these, I had to pass one up I saw at the parts place I went to.

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Billy NY

08-23-2007 07:43:02




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 06:19:51  
Sounds like a common problem, I had soaked it with free-all another one of those industrial penetrants. I had used my dozer blade as an anvil and gave the rod some decent whacks,rotated material does not deform, so it must be hardened steel. Figured the vibration and shock might break the bond. I've got a big ole vise that needs a place to be attached on a work bench, still blue, actually came from our old ford dealership, pair of large pipe wrenches, smaller one might get a better bite though.

I was avoiding heat, afraid of embrittling the steel, knowing these parts take some shock and abuse, but I'll follow what you guys did, give er some heat, and keep working on it, hard to believe the threads would be crossed on something like this,so maybe with some elbow grease it will free up, will let you know how it goes, sure will be nice to have use of it, the 2 bottom won't flop the furrow over, it's adjusted too high on that side.

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soundguy

08-23-2007 07:52:32




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 07:43:02  
If the threads were crossed.. they were already worn beyond salvation.

Also.. heating metal and allowing it to cool slowly actually increases the ductility of it.. If you heted it then quenched it.. it might embrittle it.. etc..

grain and crystal size is smaller when cooled fast.. larger when cooled slow.

soundguy



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Ken Crisman

08-23-2007 07:27:21




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 06:19:51  
Yep , I had one that was frozen solid & bent . Alot of heat, a good vice & pipe wrench . Watch the spitting hot grease tho .Be patient as you work it back & forth with pipe wrench .Then use heat & a big hammer to straighten it later . God bless, Ken



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soundguy

08-23-2007 07:04:11




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 06:19:51  
I've had a couple tht were stuck.. on one.. the prev owner put a small 'blip' of weld at the casting to rod area to prevent it from turning. All i had to do was gring it out.

On the other, 50ys of hard grease and dirt and some rust got to it.

I took it of fthe tractor and turned it upside down and soaked with PB blaster, then set in a shallow tray with some diesel and atf fluid in it... left it that way for a day..

Came back set it on my anvil, and gave some medium whacks downt he side of the casting.. nothing bad.. just whack.. though i did use a non maring copepr hammer.

For kicks.. try greasing the joint.. may or may not take any.

In any case. then i heated the fork with a propane torch.. i had the rod clamped in the vice and once i got the casting hot enough to smoke the grease and oil in it, i put a pipe wrench to her and she unscrewed fine... though sticky.

Washed parts in washer, and chased old threads on rod and in casting as best I could.. then i heated the rod and bent int he vice.. touched up rod with a file to take vice marks out, changed out grease fitting for good measure, shot some grease in it.. then greased rod and threaded in.. cleans up crank box and regreased as well.

Had another that needed extensive welding and thread work.. but that's another story..

Still got the 2 i rebuilt.. workin' fine..

Soundguy

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Jeff IA

08-23-2007 06:30:54




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 Re: Anyone ever unstuck a leveling box fork ? in reply to Billy NY, 08-23-2007 06:19:51  
I had to heat mine up with a torch pretty good. Watch out for the old grease spitting out. A year or so later I broke the fork itself and had to replace the unit with an aftermarket (not original) one. I couldn't find the long skinny one at the time.



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