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biscuit

10-18-2003 20:17:21




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I recently got hold of a hay rake that needs a few teeth and some bushings or bearings, but I cannot find any markings on the thing antwhere and I've never seen one like it before. The best description I can give is it used to be orange and it is P.T.O. driven. It has 3 small wheels (about a 4 in rim),one on each side and a silly wheel in the middle of the rear of the machine. The power is given from the P.T.O. through a long shaft that goes to a set of pulleys with an idler pulley to take slack, then it is given to a set of sprockets which in turn drive the rake assembly. The rake assembly consists of of 4 bars with 16 double sets of teeth on each bar. The bars are not set-up like the new holland type of rakes, these run in what looks like a true circle with one flat piece of steel at each end and one in the middle that these bars go through and turn in when driven by the P.T.O. While it does have the frame that reminds you of the new hollobar rakes it is indeed very different. Any help will be greatly appreciated even if it is info for contacting someone who knows.

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Leroy

10-22-2003 06:32:32




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
Cockshut made a rake that looked simiular to the AC but it had 3 wheels in back verses the 2 on AC, was red but faded would look orange



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JMS/MN

10-21-2003 00:22:58




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
You had me going about it being an AC rake until you mentioned the 'silly' wheel in the middle. AC made a pto pull-type rake from late 40s that had single wheels front right and left rear, although they had a dual wheel option, and the gearbox had a high, low, and tedder (reverse) position. We raked hay in high, straw in road gear on the tractor, and low on the rake. Tedder was to fluff up an existing windrow to help it to dry out after a rain. The bar pattern you describe was typical for rakes of that era- before NH came out with the 'Rollabar' design. The four bars were mounted on identical circles, but connected with an offset to another circle, thus giving the teeth a variable pattern, but not like rollabar, which maintained the teeth in a vertical postion at all times.

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Tim(nj)

10-20-2003 20:41:53




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
Just read your description again and it brought to mind a Minneapolis-Moline RA rake. Not for sure if that is what you have, but these M-M pull-type rakes had PTO drive, and little wheels on either side and (I think) just one in the back . . . .



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Sid

10-19-2003 10:34:01




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
I have seen one PTO driven that was an Allis Chalmers it was a pull type and could be used as a rake or tedder. I remember seeing in a film in Ag class several years ago what some of the equipment went through at New Idea and seem to remmber a mounted rake that was PTO driven. I have seen other mounted PTO driven rakes but the orange color suggest to me the possibility of New Idea since we had a New Idea rake many years ago and it was Orange and green in color, or an Allis Chalmers.

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biscuit

10-20-2003 06:23:03




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 Re: Re: hay rake teeth in reply to Sid, 10-19-2003 10:34:01  
Sid,
This is a pull type rake, I neglected to mention that earlier. I have found some teeth from an intl. that can be mounted in a differnt fashion than originally done but will work fine. The bushings, I will improvise there also as I have always been good at doing that do to my interest in older equip. I am wondering how this might be used as a tedder in addition to a rake, as I considered buying one of those also.

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Sid

10-20-2003 19:17:56




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 Re: Re: Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-20-2003 06:23:03  
As I understand they could be put in reverse and the teeth spinning backwards would fluff the hay. The first hayrake I raked with was a New Idea rake and tedder[it said that on the id plate anyway] did not ever use it as a tedder. I told a guy when I had to leave an auction one time to run the bid up to fifty dollars on an old pull type Allis PTO powered rake and I would pay him for his trouble it sold for thirty dollars and he never bid said it wasn't worth anything, sure would liked to have had it to see what it would do.

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Tim(nj)

10-20-2003 20:26:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hay rake teeth in reply to Sid, 10-20-2003 19:17:56  
I have an old A-C PTO tedder rake. Works good. I use it as a back up for my newer New Idea rake though, as parts other than teeth are hard to find where I live, as there weren't all that many A-C rakes sold here. The back tedder part is gentler on clover and alfalfa than the rotary tedder I use on the grass hays.



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Sid

10-21-2003 17:41:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hay rake teeth in reply to Tim(nj), 10-20-2003 20:26:19  
Plaease explainn how it works when teding hay does the reel turn backwards.



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Tim(nj)

10-21-2003 18:23:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hay rake teeth in reply to Sid, 10-21-2003 17:41:47  
Yes. This particular rake has 2 forward reel speeds and one reverse reel speed. You can also change the pitch of the teeth from forward to back. All the way back for maximum lift when tedding, all the way forward for raking. The later A-C #7 rake could also be used as a tedder in this way, but it only had one forward speed.



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paul

10-19-2003 08:17:16




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
Saw a few like that, more or less, at auction sales. The last one I saw was fresh-painted silver, so can't help on id'ing it. You could check out Shoup or the loacal farm stores (find their order catalog, they only stock what sells in the area, but could order other stuff that's not on the shelf) to see what matches up. If worst comes to worse, you can replace a whole barfull at a time with some sort of universal teeth.

For bearings, go to a bearing supplier (in my rural community a couple of the automotive stores are _real_ good at stocking 100's of bearing, and can order _anything_ in 2 days), they sell the same thing for 1/2 of what a dealer would, if you could find a dealer. Just bring them the old bearing, or as much of it as you have left all they need is the inner & outer dimension, & type, pretty easy to match up - most bearings have a tiny number stamped on the edge if you look real close for reference. Some manufaturers get their bearings without this stamping, so they are harder to locate from a generic bearing supplier. Silly price gouging games....

--->Paul

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Dan

10-18-2003 20:53:34




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 Re: hay rake teeth in reply to biscuit, 10-18-2003 20:17:21  
As far as teeth, you might take one off and head to a local farm store and try to match it up. Bearings quite often are made by one of the main brands, so if it's roller or ball bearings you may again be able to find them at NAPA or bearing supply. Doesn't sound like anything I ever saw so can't help ya on brand.



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