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OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful)

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rob 8N11071 KS

08-10-2001 08:56:34

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With the increase in mailbox vandalism there have been many rural folks building tank-like mailboxes out of brick, steel I-beams, etc. Our neighboring county has concluded these structures are road hazards because they will not give way if they are ACCIDENTLY hit by a motorist.

So not only are you opening yourself up for a lawsuit, in some places super-strong mailboxes are illegal. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Historically, the legal system doesn't take kindly to booby traps. :(

(sorry to start another thread, I couldn't seem to find a good msg to reply to with this)

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W O Dude

08-11-2001 21:05:38

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

There is a mailbox on the market that has 7ga (3/16)steel top, end ,and door and a 3/16 treadplate bottom and a 10 ga stainless steel flag.The post for it is a 6x6,the ad shows a doser sitting on top of it.They drove it up there.My brother has one the snowplow hit it ,knocked off its post and didnt hurt it a bit.A good deterant for baseball bats. later,Dude

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Tom WY

08-10-2001 21:37:32

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

Now, Now...
Its not ALWAYS the juvenile delinquents at "work".
Last winter I followed a snowplow down our rural hiway. The plow was moving about 50mph throwing the heavy snow right into a row of mailboxes. Of course, they were all smashed badly. A few days later, a neighbor was whining about having to put up "another (blank, blank) Mailbox" because of them Da-n kids!
Now, thems' nice kids, and mean no harm ;o)

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Boogity in OH

08-10-2001 19:36:00

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

I'll try to condense this as much as possible but this is a story about a farmer's mailbox and my father in 1973. My dad, who died in 1976, helped our neighbor build a heavy duty mailbox because the fine youngsters smashed the third one in one year. They set the 6" sched. 40 pipe 3 ft. in concrete and filled the pipe with concrete also. The box was constructed of 1/4 steel plate. They contacted the US Postmaster General for our area to see what regulations apply. The Postmaster mailed the farmer a sheet with all of the requirements (set-back from the road, height of box, etc.). The only requirement that applied to the box it's self was the door. To make it "legal" they had to use a door from one of the smashed boxes.

That very same night three boys came by at around 2:00AM with an aluminum baseball bat smashing mailboxes. The driver must have been a little too far from the edge of the road so the guy riding shotgun opened his door to reach the mailbox. His bat bounced off the new mail box and hit him in the head. The boy spent two days in the hospital.

The farmer spent 18 days in jail and had to pay all medical costs.

Only in America.

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Dave Smith

08-10-2001 17:27:05

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

What ever hapened to the law that you must have you're vehicle under controll at all times?
Dave <*)))><

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RICKWI

08-10-2001 19:28:16

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Re: Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to Dave Smith, 08-10-2001 17:27:05

It went away with the overabundance of lawyers and the death of common sense. Somebody else is resposible for everything that happens. Either by jury award if you lose, or by legal fees even if you win, it's an awfully expensive protection program for a $10 mailbox.
I do one a year here. The best time was when there was a trail of oil down the road after the box was run down. Would like to have heard the expl;aination to Daddy when the pickup cooked her motor and didn't make it home.

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Ed-Illinois

08-10-2001 11:18:56

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

Good Point Rob.

The Illinois Department of Transportation did a great deal of study on this matter in the mid 70's. Mail box hights are set so that the box can be accessed from a vehicle through an operabl window. This puts the box above the level of the hood on a car. The study found that motorists who hit heavy mailboxes, or multiple mailboxes on a single frame, tend to find them on their widsheilds and somtimes on their dashboards, laps, chests, and heads.

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Al English

08-10-2001 11:01:52

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

Same thing here Rob, Our county has all kinds of rules about the weight and design of roadside mailboxes. I don't particularly agree with those rules, but they don't consult me on these matters. In fact, when I'm emperor a lot of things are going to change. If you want a lesson in how unimportant common sense and personal responsibility have become, check out all the warnings, instructions, and disclaimers plastered up and down the legs of a new ladder. Many of those warnings refer to what I believe are "self correcting behaviors"...Al English

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buck

08-10-2001 12:44:01

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Re: Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to Al English, 08-10-2001 11:01:52

emperor--Ok--I like that--I guess Your comment about the ladder reminded me of a time when I lived in one of them subdivisions where everybody is close together. On this particular day I was working in my shop and hear this paculiar loud noise sorta like draging an I beam across a cattleguard. Well I take a look around but didn't see or hear anything so I go back to work. About half an hour later I hear the same noise and take another look but find nothing. The third time comes in about another half hour so I just got to find out what it is so I walk a little further from the shop this time and see my backdoor neighbor getting up off the ground. Turns out that he had the bottom of a ladder about 16' from the wall and the top about 16' up the wall and it had kicked out on him 3 times. This guy was in his late 40's Masters degree in engineering and a PE.

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Greg-VT

08-10-2001 10:07:30

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Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to rob 8N11071 KS, 08-10-2001 08:56:34

Ya think I should saw most of the way through the 36" maple next to the road in front of my place so
it'll give a little if someone hits it?

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Nah, that's an act of God

08-10-2001 12:00:49

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Re: Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to Greg-VT, 08-10-2001 10:07:30

and certianly no one is going to hold responsible for "God's acts" :-)

That is sort of like not being able to put up barbed wire in the city. BUT you sure can plant a LOT of thorny bushes, I like roses, along the property line to keep the "juvenile delinquents" from running thru your yard. I can't help that God equipped roses with thorns!! :-)

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Pitch

08-11-2001 02:14:14

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Re: Re: Re: OT- Mailbox deterrents (be careful) in reply to Nah, that's an act of God, 08-10-2001 12:00:49

Couple of years ago a fella up in Oswego NY got tired of the plows killing his mailbox so he made himself one out of railroad rail and 3/8 inch steel. Seems that very winter the plow clipped it at about thirty mph Tore the wing of the truck bent the frame and put the whole rig sideways into the ditch. The homeowner ended up buying the county a new rig plus paying a fine for erecting a roadside hazard. In NY the state or county owns the right of way thirty feet each side of the center of the road so they can tell you what you can put there.

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