Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Discussion Forum
Order Ford 9N Parts Online

9N Ignition update

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
BC Mike C

11-24-2002 13:50:00




Report to Moderator

At the top of the coil I have 12 volts and 2.25 volts. Removed everything. Top of coil to pig tail zero resistance, pigtail to cap 11.5 ohms. This is a lot more than the book says. Three resistors under dash, a cylander type with spiral windings, an original equipment looking piece held on with two machine screws, a ceramic resistor. None of these are showing any resistance. It is just above freezing here. I can not see how the voltage would get reduced from 12 to 6. My guess is the resistors are not what they should be and the coil has slowly fried.I have the part number for a 12 volt coil and I have read everything about a 12 volt conversion. The written info says I need to put on an appropriate resistor for a 12 volt coil if it is a front mount. Does anyone know what would be an appropriate resistor ( with part number please ) to use between the ignition switch and the coil assuming I get a 12 volt coil. Does my diagnosis make sense? Thank you muchly. BC Mike C

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

11-24-2002 20:54:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: 9N Ignition update in reply to BC Mike C, 11-24-2002 13:50:00  
BC Mike C, The Zero Resistance from top of coil to
the Pigtail is not correct... You need to Zero your meter (Probe to Probe) on your lowest scale. It should be ~1.0 Ohms. (The 2.25 V reading confirms your coil is conducting)

The 2.25 Volts is "Very LOW" should be 2.8 V and is most likely because you have 3 ballasts in the line.

Your Coil Should be OK, its just "over" protected and the current is very low..

Each ballast Resister must measure something or be open. Are they connected in series (like flashlight batteries) ?

Remove the Coil and Connect the Pigtail To Ground (Frame) Top wire connected... Turn on the Key and using your meter measure the voltage drop across (one probe on each side)of each resistor and mark down each.. Also measaure across the coil (pigtail to top)

I don't understand the 11.5 ohm reading... is that the pigtail to the condensor or Pigtail
to Dist CAP connection (secondary) If its the later you are not reading/adding the scale correctly (like 11.5K)

The 6 volt coil is better performing than the 12 volt MHO but you have to get the Ballast Combo correct. Just a EOM Ballast (Standard) followed by a RU-100 or ICR-13 and you should be good for go.

My Email is on post,

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dell (WA)

11-24-2002 20:23:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: 9N Ignition update in reply to BC Mike C, 11-24-2002 13:50:00  
Mike..... .....there AIN'T no tractor part number for the current limiting resistor necessary for the 12 volt frontmount ignition coil. And tractor parts stores don't sell it.

It is a 1/2 ohm 20 watt resistor that you make from a Radio Shack p/n 271-131, 2-pack (about $1.68) of 2 ea: 1 ohm 10 watt ceramic resistors. Ya hold the resistors side-by-side and twist the wire pig-tails together, solder, then crimp some terminal lugs on new resistor lead for eazy installation.

Vola', your own custom 1/2 ohm 20 watt resistor. Now yer an Inginneer (grin)

If you're planning to change to a 12 volt frontmount coil, use ONLY my special trick 1/2 ohm coil current limiter. DO NOT USE the "infamous ballast" with the 12 volt frontmount coil. Understand?

Howsomevers..... ya reports 2.25 volts which is too low for an OEM 6 volt frontmount coil and you reports 3 resistors. I'd say thats 1 resistor too many. I don't know why your 12 volt conversion is using 3 resistors, but suspect installer was electrically challenged. If 2 is good, 3 is better? Not necessarily so.

Not certain how or why you report that you can't read any of the 3 resistances, yet you report 11.5 ohm from coil pigtail to distributor cap. How are you doing that? Disconnect your coil terminal wire and try reading the resistances again. Let us know what you read as it can help diagnose your system and get it working for you.

Leave the 6 volt ballast resistor in and remove one of the other resistors. Try one at a time. A good OEM 6 volt coil should read about 3.5 volts at the coil terminal, wheather the battery is 6 volts or 12 volts.

To resistance check a frontmount ignition coil, remove it from the tractor. Connect one ohmmeter lead to the coil top connector. Then measure eather coil contact underneath. The coil primary that goes to the ignition points should read about 1-2 ohms. The coil secondary that goes to the rotor should read about 5000 ohms. There is a major difference between the 2 readings. Exact value is not critical.

If all you get is "zero" ohms, the coil is probably shorted. BUT also the meter just might be out of calibration, double check by shorting the meter leads together. The difference between "zero" and 1-ohm can be hard to discern on some meters..... ..... .HTH, Dell

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
BC Mike C

11-24-2002 21:15:50




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: 9N Ignition update in reply to Dell (WA) , 11-24-2002 20:23:12  
Dell, got the message on the special coil current limiter. All parts are removed and on the bench. To clear up the confusion on the number of resistors, there used to be three and I removed one a couple of years ago, it has been running on two. I removed the cylander shaped unit. My multi meter is too difficult to read, the 2.25 volts was a best guess and one ohm would be less than the thickness of the needle. So I can not get the reading for the coil primary but the coil secondary reading requires the decimal to be moved a bit from 11.5 to 11500 and I just re checked it is 12000 ohms. So before I go any further I think you would reccommend I get a new tester with a digital read out $19.95 at Canadian Tyre. You will be pleased I got out the electrical book at 1/2 time and did some reading. I will re check the measurements with the new meter. Thanks Michael Casling BC Mike C

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
sounds like a plan . . . Dell (WA)

11-24-2002 22:02:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: 9N Ignition update in reply to BC Mike C, 11-24-2002 21:15:50  
only thing a digital meter can't do is check yer condenser (technical reasons), replace 'em if in doubt..... ..Dell



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy