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rob, tejas

09-20-2000 00:58:50




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hey guys, you helped me awhile back with great info, i wasn't able to do anything with it, but oh well. I had some kind of coil/distributor/condensor/points?? problem, could not work it out, got the new holland folks to help rebuild the whole bolt on unit, still didn't work for me. so, finally when had time took whole '48 8n down to them and said get running. cost $400. they said I probably had more problems from letting it sit for the 5 months it took me to mess around with it than whatever the original problem was(stuck valves, etc, etc, also had them convert back to 6V pos grnd from 8v neg grnd). have been perusing the archives and noticed all the "overheating" entries, then on page 3 or 4 of 25 of my search, all i could get from that or any other search is a list of non-links with the date 12/31/69???

the thing was running fine for the 3-4 tanks of gas that i actually owned it and then died, finally got it fixed, is letting it sit that long that bad? have seen numerous posts mentioning letting it sit over winter and no mention of that being real hard on the engine.

the thing runs kinda flakey, the idle adjustment screw won't sit still, but i can keep it going and it doesn't take long for it to start feeling real hot, it did not feel hot like this before. when I shut engine off, i can hear the radiator boiling and some fluid burbles out, but nothing is coming out while it is running. i opened up the bleeder coolant valve and let some run over my fingers and that didn't seem all that really hot, i think my morning coffee would have burned more? I also tried to feel for a thermostat in the hoses and I don't think one is there, unless it's a real flexible thermostat, but that would cause underheating, i got boiling radiator fluid in about 5 minutes.
just a few questions:

am i close to damaging engine from overheating? one post said engines run hot enough for him to light a cigar off the exhaust manifold, or is that the exhaust, not engine? because numerous other posts said this engine runs cool.

the water is swirling around the radiator so water pump working, could 5 mos. sitting around clog up radiator?

was told may have a year or year and a half left in her, needs an overhaul, about $1800, does this seem reasonable, not just the price, but the year and a half left?

they did say the best thing now is to try to run it alot and clear out some of the rust they found in the engine and it should come around some.

thanks for any info, sorry about how long and rambling this post is, hope it makes sense, it's 3 am and i'm going to bed.

p.s. This is an amazing board, the number of posts and the quality of the respondents, it's a great knowledge base at our disposal and I am very greatful, please keep it up.
rob

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Dell (WA)

09-20-2000 06:33:19




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 Re: overheating in reply to rob, tejas, 09-20-2000 00:58:50  
Rob..... ... A blocked hose mounted thermostat or more probabily a "reversed" incorrectly installed thermostat will cause the engine to boil and burp. Pull off the top hose and inspect, normally it is just right at the end of the engine end of the hose. While I don't completely discount the possiblility of a clogged radiator, your just a warm finger is another clue.

Hard working N-Tractor exhaust manifolds will "glow" at night and if you are so despert, yeah, you could probably light a cigar off it, although Ford did offer an optional dashmounted electric cigar lighter.

Many N-Owners use a product commonally called "stab-gas" for long time over winter gas protection. I use it in my lawnmowers. It prevents gas varnish from clogging the carb jets. I also use "dri-gas" to prevent the tank from rusting. More better is to make sure you have a full tank of gas so water doesn't condense. Another long time storage trick, is to turn off the under the tank gas valve and run the tractor dry. JUST REMEMBER TO TURN OFF THE IGNITION (don't ask)

As for 18 months of engine life? I'd never make that kind of prediction without at least a dry and wet compression test. Does your tractor start eazy? Does it fog up the neighborhood with oil smoke? Does it have enuff power? I'm sorry you felt you had to have a "real mechanic" fix your tractor, after all, the N-Tractor was designed for the horse farmer whose mechanical skills probably just included bailing wire and a big rock. (grin)..... ..Dell

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Rick(UT)

09-20-2000 04:56:05




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 Re: overheating in reply to rob, tejas, 09-20-2000 00:58:50  
I have had my tractors sit longer than 5 months, just needed to refresh the gas and charge the battery. They might need the spiders blown from the distributor, but they all seem to run just fine. As far as the engine getting hot enough to light a cigar from the eng, well, I'd say that is way too hot. I run mine all day long in July, ambient temp is about 90 Deg., cutting hay and it doesn't get that hot. It's hard to tell you what to do, you could have your radiator checked for flow, if your radiator is plugged they will tell you. Our local radiator guy does the flow check for free, he will boil it out and fix it for 75.00. Now, as far as the overhaul is concerned, I just rebuilt my 8N, new valves, pistons, sleeves, clutch/parts, total rebuild. Parts cost me 506.00 from farm and country. I had a local machine shop do the machine work, reground crank, install valves, valve job, machine block/head, install rebuild kit for oil pump,etc. total cost was 457.00. It took me 1 week to have it all back together running. I worked on it two days, then after work for 1 1/5 hours a night. It was all easy work. I don't have all the special equipment to make assembly easy, so I jury rigged hoist, pulleys, eng supports, etc. Well, good luck on your tractor. I would do an engine compression check, this will be an indicator of the shape of the engine. I never trust Dealers when it comes to fixing auto's or tractors or anything. They alwasys seem to find "something" that needs fixing. Good Luck

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