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Rob 9N

03-14-2002 05:17:24

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Sorry for the "Off Topic" but this is one of my most valued sites for good information. I need to build a privacy fence a couple of hundred feet long. The farm next to us,(approx. 19 acres) was sold to a developer. They intend to put 80 starter homes there. I understand the principal of building and need to know how deep to go with the post and what to put in the hole,ie Quikcrete or Lime. It will be at least 6 feet tall, possibly 10 feet in some areas. Thanks in advance. Rob

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Pitch

03-14-2002 18:25:14

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Does'nt really answer your fence query but the pig idea reminded me of a great story that happened in these parts a few years back.
Seems a fella wanted to put in a MA &Pa convience store in a small town that is rapidly becoming yuppieized due to the local Ivy League University but the area was zoned ag/residential and being rapidly developed with fine homes. Well the fine left wing yuppie didn't want a store in there cozy little community and put up a fuss so he couldn't get his variance, So this fellow said fine it's zoned ag so he bought five or six old school busses, buried them to the frames took the doors and window out and moved in a bunch of pigs. you should have heared the gentry howl then. Not a damn thing they could do though because of the right to farm laws we have. guess their is more than one way to skin a cat!

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rasputen

03-14-2002 16:58:05

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

My .02 is plant bamboo if you want a privacy hedge. If you get a running 0F tollerant specie like Golden Groove it will make a great "living" fence. You can keep it down on your side by picking the shoots on your side in the spring (they taste like artichoke heart!), or just mow them down.

PS: I am a bamboo freak and it is a beautiful plant.

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Larry 8N75381

03-14-2002 14:05:24

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

A fence is a "man made structure" BUT living things like trees are not! Not likely that there are going to be restrictions on trees like there will be on fences, for that reason.

I'd go with something that grows AND has LOTS of thorns. First thought is nasty!! It is called multifloria rose. It will grow so thick NOTHING will go through it. Of course it really is a noxious weed and some places have requirements to kill noxious weeds.

But there are LOTS of other thorny trees/shrubs some of which are even pretty. I planted old fashioned climbing roses along my back fence in town to keep the boys from the house behind me out - they were not nice!

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Rob 9N

03-14-2002 15:41:48

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Re: Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-14-2002 14:05:24

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm in southern Indiana BTW. I should also mention I raise black German Shepards. I'm not too concerned with security as I am liability. I've had one bite up here already. I love the planting of trees and srubs. They have been logging next to my house all week. Just two guys, but man they work and have probably dropped no less than 200 large trees. I live next to I-65 and am rapidly loosing my sound barriers. I too like the pig Idea. I have an existing wire fence and electric to keep the dogs in. But really don't want to see a bunch of goobersthat close to my house. Again thanks Very good advice. Rob

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Ed Gooding (VA)

03-15-2002 04:33:51

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Re: Re: Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 15:41:48

Hey Rob. Very interesting about the common interests among members. I have White German Shepherds. Two at the moment, male and female. As you probably know, AKC won't allow them to be shown anymore, but they are still eligible to compete in Companion Dog and Utility Dog trials. GSD's, no matter the color, are my favorite dogs. When Andy gets his FTP site back up, I'll post a couple of pics.

Regards..... ..... Ed
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Ed Gooding (VA)

03-14-2002 13:25:59

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Rob, I agree with Al in PA. You didn't say what part of the country you are in, but here in Central VA, I've found Leyland Cypress and Loblolly Pine to be very fast-growing, evergreen privacy screens. The Leylands almost grow in front of your eyes, 3-5'per year. I intersperse Loblolly's just to hedge my bets with another variety. Both seem to be very hardy and resistant to bugs and disease. We have bagworms around here, but they seem to leave both types of tree alone.

fwiw..... ..Ed
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Dave Smith

03-14-2002 12:56:30

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Around here now they don't recomend putting the posts in cement. Moisture gets between the cement and the post, stayes there and rots off the post. Set the post on dry cement and fill with tamped dirt. I think the pig idea is the best.
Dave <*)))><

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Gary

03-14-2002 11:43:50

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Here the developer is required to put in fence. If you haven't already might be worth looking into.

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Greg (NV)

03-14-2002 09:03:13

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Don't have any suggestions on fencing as I just have field fence around my property, however, I'm sure sorry to hear "another" farm has been lost to developers. It's happing to us in our valley and it sickens me to see it. Once the homes arrive if you have any animals it won't be long before they're gone (smells - noise - etc.). I do like the pig idea.

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RAJ

03-14-2002 06:49:36

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

I put up 450 ft of 6 ft tall privacy fence. 80 percent of the posts were 8 footers with the rest being 10 feet. I dug the hole down about 3 ft and put some pea gravel in the bottom, set the post and put in cement. It has held up just fine for 4 years now and we have had some strong winds.

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jim

03-14-2002 06:45:14

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Running from 6' to 10'high , personally I'd be concerned about wind damage and snow build-up. At that height, your bucking a lot of wind and eventually Mother Nature always wins.

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kraig WY

03-14-2002 06:44:59

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Put in a pig pen where you plan on building the fence, Bet the developer would put up a fence so he could sell the houses, then you could move the pig pen.

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BigAWB

03-14-2002 07:35:58

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Re: Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to kraig WY, 03-14-2002 06:44:59

Man I like the way you think.

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ED-IL

03-14-2002 06:38:45

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Is the development approved yet?

If not, I would see what you could do with the permitting authority to get the developer to put in a buffer of either a privacy fence or landscape variety.

Plus, if he builds it, he has to maintain it.

Good Luck

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JerryU

03-14-2002 06:15:33

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

First check with your local building authorities. Fences have become a hot topic and they are putting lots of restrictions on them as to height, design, etc.

Secondly, the same authorities can tell you what footing depth is for frost. In the Detroit area it is 42". That is what I had to go with my pole barn.

As far as holding the post, talk to the local lumber yard. They sell gazillions of fences and can tell you custom.

Again, around here on pole barns you dig the hole 42" throw in a bag of "Quickcrete" dry put in the pole and throw in another dry bag around the pole and finish backfilling with dirt. I never heard of such a thing in Iowa, but customs vary.

Around here for fences, it is common to dig the hole, set the pole. Throw in a little dirt, dry bag of Quickcrete, and finish with more dirt.

It is interesting how local customs on construction vary.

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Al in PA

03-14-2002 06:09:57

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

If your primary reason for the fence is privacy, why not plant trees for screening? A row of fast growing hybid poplars will provide good screening in just a few years - and there's no maintenance like you will have with a fence. Another choice would be a row of evergreens which will grow together to form a year-round wall of green between you and the development. Another consideration - at no cost to you - is to attend the planning commission meetings when the developer submits plans to your township and ask the board to require the developer to plant the screening: This if quite common in our area even though it is used more in commercial development than in residential.

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ricker2n

03-14-2002 05:31:22

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

I built one a few years back. Different locales have different requirements. I was restricted to 6 feet, had to leave room on the property line for maintenance, the side facing away from me had to be finished, (the stringers and posts on my side). I went down about 42-48 inches because of frost. I set mine in concrete, but have talked to some builder friends who build pole buildings and they say to use gravel. One of my posts got off a little and it is easier to leave it with the concrete. If it will be exposed to strong winds, you should consider at least three feet.
Have you considered trees? Good luck with your project.

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Craig

03-14-2002 05:24:43

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Re: O.T. Privacy Fence in reply to Rob 9N, 03-14-2002 05:17:24

Rob,
I just went through the same thing. Farm behind me sold and they are putting in 33 houses. I went with a 6' stockade fence with 9' 4x4 posts. I put the post in a little over 2' deep and back filled with a dry mixture of quickcrete and pea gravel. This lets it set up nice and slowly harden from the ground moisture. I have lots of wind and they held up nice so far.
Good luck!

Craig

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