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Rob

10-28-2002 13:22:24




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Just recently acquired this tractor, not for show but for working purposes at the cottage. Not to sound like a total dummy, but I have a few questions if anyone could help.
1. On the left rear side is a lever to turn off and on the PTO and 3 point hitch. On the right rear side there is also a similar lever. What is it for, and what position does what?
2. On trying to pull a heavy load on a trailer (6-7000 lbs) the engine bogs and wants to stall. Bogging is particularly bad in reverse. Other than this, the tractor starts and runs like a charm. Is it likely that the timing might be too far advanced? I don't know what it is set at or do I see any kind of markings or scale for using a timing light.
Any and all suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

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Rich

10-29-2002 06:49:02




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 Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Rob, 10-28-2002 13:22:24  
Rob, The only Lever that I know of that is similiar to the Left mounted PTO lever is the Rare Howard 5th gear shifter mounted on the Tranny dipstick lever. I have one myself. If it says Rotary Hoes, Essex, England, Thats the Howard. A little trick I learned about a hundred or so years ago while playing around with Henry's other Flatheads (V8). Put Number 1 cyl on TDC for compression stroke. Check the timing mark on the flywheel to be sure it's on TDC. Loosen the distributor. Turn on the ignition. Rotate the distributor until you see a spark between the points. Then Advance the distributor a slight amount. ( Advancing means moving it slightly against the rotor's direction, not with the rotor) This is not precise. But it will give you a pretty close approximation of the correct position for starting. Once the engine is running, you can time it correctly with a light. Good luck. Rich

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DickTN

10-28-2002 16:50:31




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 Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Rob, 10-28-2002 13:22:24  
Rob, Unless you have a very late '52, the reverse is geared about the same as second gear forward. This means that you will get some "bogging" in reverse.
It's normal. Dell probably hit the problem (as he usually does) when he mentioned possible governor problems. I don't think I would care to pull 6000 pounds behind my N unless it was on the level and I had a hundred yards to stop. Even if you can lock up both wheels (unlikely), you still aren't gonna stop that much weight real quick. Be safe. DickTN

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9n141

10-28-2002 16:43:23




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 Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Rob, 10-28-2002 13:22:24  
I use my 860 @ the cottage,13'6x28 tires loaded,wt aprox. 4200-4400 lbs.My boat is about same wt. this about all the 860 can safely move around rocks, beach,hills etc. I would not use my 8n for this job because of less tractor wt., less power, poorer brakes, etc. BURT.



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Dell (WA)

10-28-2002 14:03:52




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 Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Rob, 10-28-2002 13:22:24  
Rob..... ....1) just guessing, the rare and fragile "Howard" aux-tranny usually has its shifter lever mounted in the 6" roundplate along with the tranny oil dipstick. Is this what you are talking about?

OR are you talking about a 3" lever just under your seat on the right side? That is not a flusher (grin). The 3" lever is a selector for draft control for plowing (horizontal) or position control for everything else (vertical)

The position control is standard, the "Howard" is dealer installed for rototiller use.

2) sounds like your "governor" is not doing its thing. Starting and running is generally good sign that the timing is OK.

Quick test on governor, handgoose at the carb throttle shaft, the governor should try with force to return throttle back. Governor has roundballs that get flat spots, and make grooves in tapered plates. Not too unusual for 50 yo tractor. Repair kits are readily available.

The sidemounted 8N has a BIG screw covered timing scale access port on the righthand side of tranny housing. Timing is 4 BTDC.

Suggest you get an I&T FO-4 manual, readily available at sponsors of this great N-Board, most tractor parts emporiums, amazon.com, Barns & Noble books, www.n-news.com (great archive of implement manuals), why even Ford/New Holland sells 'em. $29 cheap, gettcha 1 and readitt..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Jim(MO)

10-28-2002 13:56:02




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 Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Rob, 10-28-2002 13:22:24  
The lever on the right is the draft control. Up / vertical is the normal position. Draft control is mostly used for plowing. 6-7000 lb load ?? Remember you only got 23 ponies under the hood and thats 2 1/2 to 3 times more than the tractor weighs (2400 lbs) If you haven't noticed the N doesn't have much in the way of brakes either. I'd be more worried about the whoa than the go.



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Soundguy

10-29-2002 05:11:10




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 Re: Re: 1952 Ford 8N in reply to Jim(MO), 10-28-2002 13:56:02  
I thought that the 8N was more like 26.5 hp.. or am I mistaken?

In any case, what does that equal down to at the drawbar?

thanks,

Soundguy



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