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Rob Johnson

03-13-2003 20:19:44




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I have a 8n ford tractor model number283937*
I just bought it the tractor a few days ago. Someone has changed the battery to neg. ground instead of positive ground. Everything seemed to be ok until today. All of the sudden, it just stopped running. After a few minutes, when the engine cooled off, it cranked right back up, then about one minute later, it died again. After it cooled off, it started again....you get the picture. I am thinking that the coil is dead. Could this be the result of the battery being hooked up backwards? Will this effect the rest of the electrical system like the starter? generator? Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!
Rob

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Patrick (NJ)

03-14-2003 05:16:54




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 Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 20:19:44  
Sounds more like you have a gasoline supply problem than an electrical one. Given the serial number, you should have a side mount distributor.

Run the tractor until it quits. Then pull a spark plug wire and check if you still have spark. If you do, then you have a fuel problem. If you don't, then maybe you do have an electrical problem after all. Solve your fuel problem by cleaning three screens (above fuel cutoff, screen in fuel cutoff/bowl and carb elbow) and then establishing you have good flow to the carb. Take the drain plug out of the bottom of the carb and make sure your flow is good to this point. I'd be willing to bet she'll run good at this point.

From the electrical gurus on this board, while the negative ground 6 volt will work, it does result in weaker "sparkies". Your IT-F04 manual has an OK wiring diagram. There is a better one at www.nseries.com. Put it back to positive ground and then see where you are. Remember to polarize your VR after you do this.

Good luck!

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MikeC

03-14-2003 03:38:33




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 Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 20:19:44  
Rob,
Is your tractor a front mount or side mount distributor? I would also do a couple quick checks to make sure that some other shortcuts were not made. Is the ballast resistor in place? Also make sure the wiring is in good shape and all the connections are clean and tight. You will need to repolarize when you switch it back to positive ground. Check the archives on the procedure since I don't remember exactly how.

Another check-since you have a start-run-die problem is the fuel flow. Make sure that all 3 screens are clear and that there is no gunk in the tank such as rust flakes, etc.

There are 2 time/heat related issues with the N's. The front mount coil dies after about 45 minutes or so. Then when cooled for a few hours "works" again for 45 minutes.

The key switch work for about 15 minutes and then dies. After it cools off it works for another 15 minutes or so. If it is not a fuel issue then I would test is the key switch by jumpering around it when the tractor dies.

Good Luck!

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raytasch

03-14-2003 02:40:11




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 Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 20:19:44  
Try hot wireing around the ignition switch, as in hot wire it. Might be the coil but I would change it out only if the ignition switch proved ok. Tractor won't care if it is + or - ground. You will have to re-polorize charging system and resize your battery cables if you switch it back.
ray



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rick craig(sure you didnt buy a triumph?)

03-13-2003 20:58:35




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 Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 20:19:44  
the brits always went positive ground on there bikes. just reverse it 180,hots negative and negative's hot(positive)the reason the brits did this was because they felt that saying negative ground was kind of like a dishonor to God. negative ground, negative earth kind of get the picture. anyway as far as hurtin anything on your N it shouldnt, either way your still hot, the parts dont know the difference. so long as who ever did this kept everything wired right and didnt start gettin things backwards. if it were mine i'd put her back the other way.hot to hot,ground to ground. yer coil's gettin hot,probobly.take her off,replace it and rewire it.been around a lot of triumphs and it still gets me sometimes. or keep it that way and write four wheeled triumph on the side. might get mr ford to rollin in his grave.(smile) be safe. rick craig

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Rob Johnson

03-13-2003 21:03:05




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 Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to rick craig(sure you didnt buy a triumph?), 03-13-2003 20:58:35  
Thanks, but forgive my ignorance, is the generator still charging the battery, even though the negative was switched to ground?



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generator issues?===bj/8n/mt

03-14-2003 05:37:26




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 21:03:05  
Regarding your generator charge question what does the ammeter read now? If it reads charge running above idle and discharge with the engine off and the key on i.e reads right on negative ground you are going to need to either reverse the connections on the ammeter if it is an aftermarket post mount ammeter or take the wire out and run the wire through the loop the other way if it is the original loop type. If it reads backwards now will most likely read right with the battery ground reversed.

Two ways to find out if the generator is on the job if the ammeter doesn't read correct now. First, read output voltage--should be around seven volts with engine at fast idle. Second, take the fan belt loose, disconnet the wiring, put six volts on it and see if it motors. If it motors it will generate. All of this assumes it is an original six volt system. Most likely some previous owner unfamiliar with the system and too cheap to buy a manual just put the battery in wrong. On the other hand could be in some stage of a twelve volt conversion in which case all bets are off. If any of this isn't clear feel free to enquire further.

Your mileage may vary

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Mike

03-13-2003 22:01:42




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 21:03:05  
Rob,

After you change it back to positive ground (And the positive ground didn't have anything to do with the Brits, way back then it was common in the US of A) you'll have to watch to see if it charges, if it doesn't you'll have to polarize the generator to get it back to the proper magnetic direction, just takes a second.

Good luck.

Mike



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rick craig heislordclc@aol.com

03-14-2003 16:51:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to Mike, 03-13-2003 22:01:42  
wasnt tryin to say anything about the usa. just a bit of trivia.



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rick craig

03-14-2003 09:42:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to Mike, 03-13-2003 22:01:42  
know some very old bikers that would argue with ya about the triumph thing. rick craig



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John,PA

03-13-2003 21:41:27




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n issues in reply to Rob Johnson, 03-13-2003 21:03:05  
All this talk about TRIUMPFS is a coincidence to me! I found the 1971 SPITFIRE that I completely restored, today. I bought it back for my lady friend. Well, she must of found out that I probably did some'n bad and wouldn't accept the car as a PIECE OFFER'in. SHE, the car, was CANARIE YELLER. The Hamilton clock was still in her.

Well, today, we buy new cars for our "girlfriends" and FALL OUT anyhow. Seems like to settle the divorce, she always keeps the car.

Well, I sold the Spitfire for a small loss, BUT I kept the Hamilton clock that was in a real WWII SPITFIRE. Have an older brother who was on B-17's and was stationed in ENGLAND.

He, brother, was write. THEM Englishmen just like to "tinker". You always are tinker'n with them TRIUMPHS. The orig. owner's manual said to do this or that just about every 50 miles. After all, over there that was about 1 month's driving.

Well, I personally knew the Dutchman who received a "royalty" for every TRIUMPH sold in this country. Both of my early "heroes" are gone now.
One of them was STEVE MCQUEEN, and the other was just a "simple" DUTCHMAN! TRUE, ON THE LOGS.

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