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Rob

04-01-2003 12:05:16




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how many amps should my amp meter be showing at full throtle? 6 volt system here. Also, My generator has two top posts and one wire attached to the back. What's what on those wires? How many volts should the gen be putting out? and what terminals do I touch with my trusty volt meter? oh yeah and how many volts should my 6 volt battery show when the tractor is off? What about when it is on? Thanks again for all the help!--Rob

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Keith _Md

04-02-2003 08:56:02




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 Re: 8n charging system in reply to Rob , 04-01-2003 12:05:16  
What ever you do, be careful. I had a similar problem, but after testing the VR It failed in a mode that when I shut the tracotr off the battery was still fully connected to the Gennie and the generator got quite hot, due to the fact that the battery was trying to turn the gennie like a big DC motor with the armature locked down. I got parts on the way to fix mine, just keep a close eye on that Amp guage, even when you shut it off... Keith

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Rob

04-02-2003 09:58:14




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 Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to Keith _Md, 04-02-2003 08:56:02  
my amp gauge is reading 0 at shut off. It's at full throttle that it climbs to the 30 range. I have been running with the headlights on and leaving them on for about a half an hour after I shut down to drain the battery, if its overcharged. what do you guys think?



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Jim Cox SW Missouri

04-01-2003 12:48:44




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 Re: 8n charging system in reply to Rob , 04-01-2003 12:05:16  
try removing the F wire on the generator. could be your VREG is stuck/frozen.

good luck

jim



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souNdguy

04-01-2003 12:21:22




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 Re: 8n charging system in reply to Rob , 04-01-2003 12:05:16  
Ok, Lets see.

I was told by the place that rebuilt my genny that around 20 was the max.. and most likely 15-20 was closer to reality. I believe the older ones on the 9/2 N ( 1 wire jobs ) were rated for 11 amps or so.

Ok, on the top post, one will be field, and will be insulated by a fibre washer. The other post will be directly to the ground of the cast.. will not be insulated at all.. just a stud common to the outer casing.

The large stud on the rear is the output. Should be higher than 6 volts.. should be around 7 volts.. or so.. from there to ground. ( Your tractor was originally positive ground ).

Ok, att he regulator, there will be a batt terminal,, that is tied to the batter either at the hot stud on the solenoid.. or directly to the battery cable.. depends on the previous owners wiring.

There you will measure charging voltage.. should be higher than 6, to charge. The battery should measure 6 to 6.5 volts or so just sitting there... probably closer to charging voltage right at shutdown.. and closer to 6 if it has been sitting for a few days.

Some of these are approximates, as real measurements will be effected by the condition of the genny, and regulator, and how good the wires and connectios are, including condition of the battery, and whether or not someone has adjusted the regulator any.

Just curious.. why do you ask? is your charging system having a problem? or just for reference sake.

Soundguy

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Rob

04-01-2003 12:29:39




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 Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to souNdguy, 04-01-2003 12:21:22  
At full throtle my amp meter reads almost 30+. I figured that was a little high, and wanted to double check before I blow the battery. Someone along the way has set it up as neg ground. I just got the local tractor doctor to overhaul the carb and distributor. I also told them to switch it back to positive ground (I just got this tractor last month for some light duty around the farm). The local tractor doctor told me that it was supposed to be positive ground. I knew better, but from reading this form figured it was ok to leave it that way. Now I am thinking that something is screwey. What do you guys think? Am I in danger of blowing the battery?

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souNdguy

04-01-2003 12:46:58




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to Rob, 04-01-2003 12:29:39  
Well.. 30 amps is alot of current... I doub't that your battery is sucking all that up...

There is the possibility that your genny was rebuilt and hot rodded.. to get more current.. butstill doesn't explain why it is pegging your ammeter.

Double check your wiring.. and also.. what did the tractor finaly end up with ground wise... positive or negative ground.

Either will work... positive is better on the old 6v system though... most switch to negative for an alternator.. or just because they don't know any better.

Tractor electrics are fairly simple. The large stud on the back o fthe genny goes to the armature tab.. and the batt tab goes to the 'hot' wire on the battery.. ( be it neg or pos.. however it is wired ).

Many times the charging wire is run right to the hot side of the starter relay.

If this is an old loop style ammeter.. they are not the most accurate.. but at least give you an idea about what is going on.

Sounds liek you have something shorted.. or perhaps the polarity was changed and the genny was not hooked up correctly. Either way.. like I said.. 30 amps is alot of current... deffinately enough to burn up a battery if constant.. or at least melt wires.. or eventually burn the genny up..

do some checking, and get back to us.

Soundguy

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Rob

04-01-2003 13:14:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to souNdguy, 04-01-2003 12:46:58  
This old 8n is still neg ground. looks like the original amp meter. I just went out there and looked at it. The positive side is wired to the silenoid. There is another wire that comes off of that and goes somewhere. Can't tell where. I checked the voltage at the genny. 9.5 volts comming off the genny, and 8.5 at the battery at half throttle. The funny thing is that when I was checking the voltage at the genny, it climbed from 6.8 to 9.5 steadily. Is that normal? I thought it should be a constant voltage that they put off?? What's the deal here? is my Generator shot? or is the Voltage regulator shot? I turned on the headlights with the motor off to drain the battery a little bit. It was reading 7.2 volts with the motor off. Won't this burn up the points and coil?

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souNdguy

04-01-2003 13:22:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to Rob , 04-01-2003 13:14:58  
8.5 volts at the battery seems a bit high to me.

You'll need to really trace the wires to see where they are goin, before you can do any in depth troubleshooting.

Also.. as Mr. Cox pointed out.. if the regulator contacts are stuck.. the regulator may be full fielded right now.. try disconnecting that field winding and see what happens.

Perhaps some of the guru's here will put in their 2 cents worth.

Soundguy

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ok, now........Rob

04-01-2003 14:13:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to souNdguy, 04-01-2003 13:22:02  
Ok I just went and checked it again, and the gen is putting off 7.6 volts and the battery is showing 6.8 volts at half throttle. I'm guessing the Voltage regulator is hosed. What do you guys think? Thanks again!



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souNdguy

04-02-2003 05:20:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n charging system in reply to ok, now........Rob, 04-01-2003 14:13:35  
If the bat shows 6.8 volts at half throttle, and the genny shows 7.6

that is almost normal... Does it still go to 8/9 at full throttle? If so, then I'd say the VR is charging a bit high.. but Jim Cox would probably be better able to answer that one.

Soundguy



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