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Rob

04-24-2003 11:58:18




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Can I test the 8n gen to see if it's working? I have a volt meter, but I don't know which prongs to test to. There are three..2 on the top, and one in the back. This is a 1950 sidemount 8n. I don't know what kind of gen I have. Can anyone help me with that? Like is it a two brush,..etc?
Thanks for all the help! Rob




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souNdguy

04-24-2003 12:11:24




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 Re: 8n generator in reply to Rob , 04-24-2003 11:58:18  
The large stud on the rear plate is the armature, that is where the voltage 'comes out'. Measure from there to a good ground on the tractor. With the genny running, you should get 7-8 volts... varies a bit.. but will be more than 6.. and shouldn't be way high like 9.

The other two studs on top are field and ground. To tell them apart, one of the studs will have a fibre or rubber insulating washer/gromet under the washer.. may be hard to see due to paint/age, etc. that is the field contact. The other stood, if you look closely, is common to the case... no insulation.. that is of course, ground.

One of the biggest problem with these 6v tractor electric systems is bad contacts.. specifically at the starter , and ground. Replaced vregegulators sometimes mount differently, and don't have good ground contacts, but is very important that they do.

Let us know what you find.
( have you polarized the genny if you have removed it for work.. etc.. ) or is this just a routine health checkup on the tractor... What is your ammeter saying.

Soundguy

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souNdguy

04-24-2003 20:52:56




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 Re: Re: 8n generator in reply to souNdguy, 04-24-2003 12:11:24  
Some gennies are a-circuit, and some are b-circuit. When i got my 8n, the one that was on it, the owner just went down to TSC, grabbed one that said ford and stuck it on.. was the wrong one... the mom & pop rebuild shop I took the genny to tested my genny and got me the right vreg.. ( which looked identical to the wrong one... )... all is fine now...

If you didn't specifically cause the meltdown by touching a wire accidentally.. I would have the genny checked out and get the right regulator from the shop.. they will be able to determine what you need.... who knows.. your genny might have been rebuilt some time along the way...

Soundguy

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Rob

04-24-2003 14:27:23




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 Re: Re: 8n generator in reply to souNdguy, 04-24-2003 12:11:24  
I had a "meltdown" on the wire that goes from the ground contact on the top of the gen to the voltage regulator. It BBQ'd some of the other wires in the harness with it, so an entire re-wire is in order. I am trying to determine if the Generator is the cause of the melted wire/shorted wire. I went to Tractor Supply today and bought a Voltage regulator just because I figured it was cheap insurance. I don't know if I bought the right one. The box says up to serial number 263844 and my tractor is serial number 283937. Obviously, from what the box says, I bought the wrong one, but the old one and the new one look identical in every way! Is there any difference? or should I take it back? Thanks again for the help!

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

04-24-2003 19:54:10




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n generator in reply to Rob, 04-24-2003 14:27:23  
Rob..... ..there is something you're not telling us about your "melt-down".

Since the generator is already at ground thru its mounting framework, the extra stud ground wire (the one you BBQ'd) is to provide correct ground to the voltage regulator frame.

Some early voltage regulators were mounted on rubber baby buggy bumpers and are therereby "insulated" from ground except by the groundwire from the genny stud.

You didn't "accidently" touch the voltage regulator end of the ground wire to the BATT or ARM terminal, did you huh? ...OR... Accidently touch the insulated voltage regulator mounting plate with a "probe" from the BATT terminal, huh? Enquiring minds want to know..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Any thoughts, Dell??----Rob

04-25-2003 03:02:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n generator in reply to uh . . . Dell (WA), 04-24-2003 19:54:10  
All I can tell you about the "meltdown" is that I was doing a little light bushoging, and after I was done the ammeter started going crazy. It was jumping wildly to the negative side. I figured it was a no brainer that I had a short somewhere. This was backed up by the large amount of smoke comming from behind the dash. I shut her down and pulled the battery as quick as I could. Most of the wires in the harness were melted, but the ground wire from the gen. to the VR was the worst, it was almost totally gone. I took the top off the voltage regulator and it smelled like week old BBQ, not to mention it was a little black and sooty in there. Did I mention that I found that someone had been storing extra screws in the VR? YUP, there were 3 screws just rolling around in there between the mounting plate and the back of the VR. So now I know where the short most likely came from, but I wanted to test the genny. I pulled the wires off and started the motor, and tested with my volt meter....nothing. Then I tried to "motor" test the genny...still nothing. My big question is: Could the short in the VR have also caused the genny to fail??? And as Paul Harvey says "now you know the rest of the story" Thanks for all the help and advise!! ---Rob

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yes . . . Dell (WA)

04-25-2003 10:40:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n generator in reply to Any thoughts, Dell??----Rob, 04-25-2003 03:02:44  
Rob..... ...gotta agree, shouldn't have spare parts stored inside and "bouncing" around the voltage regulator. Yes, your generator is probably bad now too. Expensive lesson..... sorry about your "bad luck"..... ..Dell



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