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6 Volt Coil

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Rob

04-26-2003 19:57:52




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I had a meltdown the other day in the Genny, which toasted the Voltage regulator, and everything in between. The previous owner had grounded negative, and I doubt they polarized when they did this. At any rate, I am doing a rewire, and replacing the VR too. I noticed that the coil has the positive side going to the distributor like it is supposed to. Now, taking into consideration that the battery was negative grounded for heaven only knows how long, will switching back to positive ground have an affect on it? Of course I will re-polarize the system when I finish up, will that be sufficient?

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Dave OH

04-26-2003 20:11:23




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 Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to Rob, 04-26-2003 19:57:52  
That is all you need to do. A complete 8N wiring harness is very cheap. Good luck!
Dave OH



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Dell (WA)

04-26-2003 20:09:15




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 Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to Rob, 04-26-2003 19:57:52  
Rob..... ..yes, polarity matters with ignition coils. You can loose up to 30% of your sparkies with incorrect polarity. On a good engine with good ignition system, you'll never notice. The standard ignition has built-in "extra sparkies" to allow for general wear and deteriation.

Heres the deal, it takes a specific amount of sparkies to jump the gap, once it jumps the gap any excess sparkies are just dissapated. BUT the gap wears open wider and so you need more sparkies to keeper goin', not a problem with good engine, But a worn engine usually need more sparkies to fire thing off, now becomes a problem.

Bottom line, always good to realize that ignition coil polarization is necessary to think about and check.

General rule is coil (+) to battery (+). 6 or 12 volts same rule. In a positive ground battery system, the coil (+) connects to battery (+) thru the ignition points which are at ground potential..... ..Dell

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question Dell----Rob

04-26-2003 20:28:53




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 Re: Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to Dell (WA), 04-26-2003 20:09:15  
First and foremost, thank you for the reply. I am almost on the same page, but not quite. You are saying that in a positive ground system (the way it should be) the positive side of the coil goes to the distributor, right? And the NEGATIVE side of the battery goes to the Negative side of the COIL. So then the current would complete the circut through the points to ground. Right? I guess there is someting in the electrical principal of it all that I am not understanding. If the Juice (negatively charged electrons) is comming from the negative side of the battery to the coil, and then to the ground via the points, it seems like this would be a dead short. In other words, I was under the impression that if the charged electrons had nowhere to discharge and came right back to the source on the opposite pole, you have a dead short. Please forgive me, its been a few years since we did that stuff in science class, and my memory ain't that good. I appreciate your feedback!----Rob

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

04-27-2003 00:16:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to question Dell----Rob, 04-26-2003 20:28:53  
Rob..... ...you've semi-gottitt. The coil primary is NOT A SHORT, it is the LOAD (thats what they call electrons at work).

Try this..... .Conventional electronic therory has electrons flow from negative to positive, OUTSIDE the power source. (battery)

So it kinda goes like this, for a POSITIVE GROUND electrical system..... The battery negative pole is connected to the ignition switch which when turned-on connects to the ignition coil (-) and does its stuff with the ignition coil PRIMARY when the ignition coil (+) is connected to GROUND by the ignition points.

And since the battery (+) is connected to ground, the closed points complete the circuit. And when the points are OPENED, that is when the sparkies are generated in the coil secondary and discharged thru the sparkplug gap inside the engine..... ....Dell

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souNdguy

04-26-2003 21:57:36




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to question Dell----Rob, 04-26-2003 20:28:53  
Actually you are on the right track, just missing a bit of electrical principle. That circuit isn't a short.. close, but the primary side of the ignition coil provides a a couple ohms of impediance, and while it's at it, generates a magnetic field. .when the points open, that mag field colapses.. the mag field continously colapsing and and being generated induces current on the secondary of the transformer, and provides for the sparkies.... Think of a transformer for ac current... the sine wave is continously hiting positive and negative peaks, mag field is what induces the current on the secondary of the transformer..etc. On the tractor ignition we are just dealing with cd, and a coil, and points. Coils have neat qualities.. induction is a fun study... this quality is measured in henry's Basically an inductor oposes the change in current in a circuit, as current changes ( drops ), the mag field colapses a bit... this leads to reverse . or back emf ( electro motive force... Capacitors work in a similar principal concerning voltage, and store a potential charge, and oppose a voltage change in a circuit, by absorbing and discharging voltage.. that is why a capacitor 'filters' half wave DC to a smooth dc output without ripple.. the cap is discharging potential during the gaps in the peaks of the waveform, and then charging back up on the next peak, etc. A neat trick is to take a large value 12v capacitor.. like 6800micro farads or bigger, and a small 12v lightbuld, and connect in series with a 12v battery... observe capacitor polarity or you can damage the oxide layer in the cap... You'll notice when you connect it, the light comes on as the capacitor is charging, as current is flowing to charge the capacitor.. but when the capacitor reaches full potential, current flow tapers off then stops, thus the light goes out... You can discharge the cap across the light, then do it again, etc... Lots of fun stuff to do in electronics. Another fun project is to take for instance, a 12v battery and some 12v large value caps, and wire them in a way, that all the caps are parallel to the battery and so they charge, and then have it setup with a bank of switching transistors to connect the caps in series.. say you have 4 caps, all charged to 12v in parallel, then swap them over to series, then you have 48v, have one cap setup on the output that is rated for 48v, it charges from the bank of 12volters in series, then have the circuit switch back to charge the bank of 4 caps again.. do this real fast over and over ( that's why you use transistors.. they are the ultimate in fast switches... ) and walla, you have a 12v powered 48v output charge pump... could also be done with transistors in a r/s flip-flop circuit, make ac waveform from the dc source, then use a step up transformer, then rectify the output, and wala, you have a 12vdc powered 48v output inverter.. etc... dozens of other ways to make power supplies both step up and down... PWM's etc.. for those of you electronically inclined, you'll notice i heavilly generalized on the requirements for these circuits, but they were for conversational purposes only...


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WELL SAID SOUNDGUY!!!

04-27-2003 20:37:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 6 Volt Coil in reply to souNdguy, 04-26-2003 21:57:36  
talk to you monday
uh....Jim Cox



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