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Rob N VA

05-21-2003 08:17:28




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Sorry for another question that is off the subject, but you guys really know your stuff and I respect and appreciate your comments/suggestions.

I have a craftsman 19hp 42 inch cut riding lawnmower, that is only 3 years old, and starting to go south. I also have a second hand
1972 Snapper rear engine rider with a 8hp briggs that I converted to electric start. Aside from some cosmetic issues, the snapper is in great shape for its age. I am thinking about dropping 2600 bucks for a new 42 inch cut Snapper rear engine rider. My question is: do you guys think it's worth it? is there a better riding mower for the money. I mow about 5 Acres for yard, and need something that is "hard core" and good quality. Thanks for your feed back and comments!

P.S. I will try to get a picture of my 8N ASAP

Rob

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souNdguy

05-21-2003 12:15:07




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
2 things I wouldn't do... 1 is mow 5 acres with a riding lawn mower.. just too much time involved.. and prematurely wears out the machine.. plus I'de have to quit one of my jobs just to find time to mow...

2nd.. is drop close to 3g's on a riding mower.. for one.. you are close in price to a comercial mower... and they will literally run circles around a rider... not that I like the comercial mowers / ztr's..

Also... that price probably will buy you an N... or if you already have a tractor.. will buy you a finish mower with money left over.

What kind of problems is the sears having? deck problems or engine / tranny problems.

If only deck problems I suggest you trash the deck and get a tow behind trail mower.. they have their own engine, and mow real nice. ( I have a craftsman tow behind .. )
They start around $700. Way cheaper to get one and pull it with an existing atv or mower with a trashed deck... or even pull it behind another mower and offset it and make wide cuts.

I have my tractors and big mowers for the pasture, and I have a push mower for right around the house. For the rest of the small work I use a little murry.. ( 12.5 hp 38" cut ) I got about 5-6 years ago... a great machine. I've never had a problem with it.. just maintenance stuff... Have put on a set of blades, and changed the battery once.
Before I fenced in the front yard and added it to the pasture for the horses and cows, I used that little murry and the 48" craftsman to make about a 7' pass at a time.

A neighbor cuts his the same way.. only he has a large huskee like 20 hp and 52" cut, plus a 42" trail mower.

It's your money.. but I just can't see sinking that much into a machine that is going to wear out fast on 5 ac... think about a tractor and finish mower.. besides.. it will save you lotsa time.

good luck!

Soundguy

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Rick H. Ga.

05-21-2003 11:10:19




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
Hi Rob,

Snapper mowers are great mowers but they are a bit overpriced in my opinion. And, 5 acres of lawn requires a lot of lawn mower.

You have gotten some good advice so far. For what it is worth, I believe I would consider either a commercial grade 48” mower or perhaps a finishing mower for your tractor.

If you are mechanically inclined, you could probably find a nice used commercial machine for under $2600; or, perhaps another N just to use as a lawn mower.

I mow about 3 to 3.5 acres of lawn around my house with a 42” riding mower and my goats keep my 10 acre pasture clean. I use my tractor and 5’ rotary mower to do the rest.

I bought a Scott’s lawn tractor with a 42” cut, 16 hp Kohler and hydrostatic transmission from HD a few years ago and have gotten excellent service out of it. I can mow my 3 + acres in under two hours. HTH. Rick H. Ga.

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Rob N VA

05-21-2003 11:22:17




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 Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rick H. Ga., 05-21-2003 11:10:19  
Just out of curiosity, how many goats do you have for your 10 acre pasture? And are they hard to take care of? I have 3 heffer calves on my 6 acre pasture. I am thinking that I should have gotten more cows with all the rain we have gotten lately. Just curious---Rob



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Rick H. Ga.

05-21-2003 11:47:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 11:22:17  
Rob, I have 18 goats at the moment. I have had as many as 40 but that is too many for a ten-acre pasture. My goats are basically “common goats” or mixed breed goats. I have heard them referred to as “briar goats”. I have never made a lot of money on my goats but they have been a lot of fun and enjoyment over the years and, as I said, they keep my pasture cut clean as high as they can stand on their back legs (they love to eat leaves on the trees as well as weeds). I like to see the nannies with their babies in the spring. Baby goats are cute (if I should say such a thing.:-).

By the way, with the increase of various immigrants coming into the US from many different countries (where consuming goat meat/milk is a favorite custom/tradition) there has been a tremendous increase in the demand for goats. It might be a good business to get into. I have goats as a hobby but I have no problem selling them when I get ready to cull them out.

I have had cows, pigs, chickens, ducks, gunnies, turkeys, and horses but I like the goats out of all the farm animals we have had over the years. Rick H. Ga.

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MikeC

05-21-2003 11:05:29




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
Rob,
I agree with you on the quality of the Craftman mowers. Everyone that I know that owns one has had a similar experience. Around 2-3 years old they really start to fall apart.

I have a John Deere 325 that I purchased 6 years ago. I do the routine maintenance on it, and I have never had a problem or a breakdown. It always fires right up after sitting all winter, and I have been really happy with it. Up until a couple of years ago I used it for some commercial mowing that I did on the side. I'm just now thinking that it might be time for a new battery.

If you have a John Deere dealership in your area, inquire about the tractors that were used in the factory. John Deere uses some of the L&G tractors to run around their plant facilities and then sells them via their dealer network after a year or so. That is what my 325 was and it was about 60% of new price with only 40 hours on it when I bought it. They also put a brand new mower deck under it.

I still use it for trim work and pulling a small trailer around the property. I now use my N and a Woods mower for the bulk of the mowing. However, if my wife mows for me she still uses the Deere.

If you have lots of trees then a zero turn unit might be a consideration. John Deere has one that uses a standard steering wheel instead of joysticks.

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steve19438

05-22-2003 07:10:55




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 Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to MikeC, 05-21-2003 11:05:29  
i am starting my 14th year with my craftsman II garden tractor, 44 in cut, 18 hp. i regularly cut 2 acres and in the past have cut countless acres of little league fields. no major problems with tractor or deck. regular maintenance is the key!!!(as with any machinery)



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bob ny

05-21-2003 10:17:14




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
get rid of the deck on your rider and by a swisher to tow behind it. they seem to be built pretty tough.



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bob ny

05-21-2003 10:16:58




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
get rid of the deck on your rider and by a swisher to tow behind it. they seem to be built pretty tough.



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TJW

05-21-2003 09:36:57




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
Rob N Va,

Whatever you get definately depends on the landscape of the bulk of your yard.

If you have tons of trees, landscaping, bushes and other things to steer around it sounds like your best long term bet is one of the zero turn professional....expensive.....

If however you have a wide open expanse that you can just run straight back and forth and mow then the best idea is a Finishing mower for your tractor.

I have a Sitrex 72" that I use behind my 8N and it is one awsome piece of equipment. A little clumsey in the finer areas of the yard with obstructions but makes my open areas a breeze.

I can cut an acre in about 15 minutes.

They only draw back to the finish mower is the agricultural tires on the tractor. If it's too wet they leave tracks in the yard...but then again my yard is not fully established. I just laid seed in March.

Hope this helps.

TJW In NC

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Hobo,NC

05-21-2003 09:16:02




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
I don't even wont't to think about mowing five acres with a snapper mower like you have. I mow 3 1/2 to 4 acres with a gravely zero turn 260Z,60in cut 25 horse motor. takes about 90 min. I do keep a cub cadet and a sears 42in around to do some of the places that the 60in deck is to big for. you need a contractor grade mower. I can't use the N because most of the yard stays to wet. a gravely like this runs 7 thousand. The only mower I liked better than the gravely was a toro. That only because the blade speed is higer. The Toro was 400 more. The higer blade speed will handel taller and wet grass better than the Gravely.

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FC

05-21-2003 08:55:42




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
I agree with the other guys on getting the finish mower. I am in the process of building a house on 110 acres and am going to mow a fair sized area around the house. I currently have a MTD 18.5 horse 46 inch cut riding mower (some call a tractor). They simply do not hold up like the heavy duty finish mowers nor will they cut the swath a finish mower will. Most riders now are stamped sheet metal with plastic bushings and will wear out quickly mowing a city lot in a few years (I have had 4 in the last several years and am frankly tired of throwing money away.) The green ones are way overpriced (in my opinion) as you could buy an 8N complete with implements for what some sell for and have 3 times the tractor. I am seriously considering selling the MTD and buying a finish mower for my 8N and using a string trimmer for where the tractor and mower cannot get to.

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More about my situation-Rob N VA

05-21-2003 09:32:34




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 Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to FC, 05-21-2003 08:55:42  
The layout of my land is such that a riding lawnmower is about the only thing I can use in the front yard (lots of trees) but I can definetly see what ya'll are saying about the finish mower, and I could use the heck out of that for the back yard (big open field; about 3 acres). The reason I am so gung-ho about the snapper is expierence. I am really impressed by the durability and performance of the older one I have...but it is way older, and requires a lot of tinkering. I hit a clod of dirt with the Craftsman 42 inch cut mower yesterday, and broke the blade shaft off of the mower deck. The guy at the parts store had several on hand and says he sells at least 2 per day. Kinda makes you wonder, huh? The killer of it all was that the mounting bolts were 2 bucks a piece. It makes me wonder if Craftsman designed it that way to make money. The only thing I have ever replaced on the Snapper is the muffler, and I have owned it for 5 years and I beat it to death!! I guess the question I am really asking is: Is this a "don't make 'em like they used to" situation? And I agree that I could buy a green machine for what a 42 inch rear engine snapper costs, but would it be any better? I am keen on the Snapper rear engine rider also because of its manuverability, but if they dont make them as well as the older one I have anymore, what's the point of dropping that much cash? The zero turn radius mowers look cool and seem to have good reports, but they are way expensive, and seem to have a lot of intricuit parts that could be costly when they break. They also look like gas hogs. As far as the finish mower for my 8n is concerned. Is it a pull behind deal, like my brush hog? Someone mentioned a 'belly-mower'? How does that work, and how much should I expect to pay for one?
Thanks for your input!

Rob

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George Willer

05-21-2003 12:15:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to More about my situation-Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 09:32:34  
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Rob,

This is a subject I can write about for a long time! I agree that Snapper is a quality product...I had one for a few years. I'm with the guys who suggest a finish mower for your 8N. I have a 6' 3pt mower on one 9N, and another 9N with a 6' belly mower. I use both. I have a 5' bush hog type for the really rough stuff, and a 5' sickle mower on a Cub for the ditch banks that are too steep for a tractor. This is the second year for the flea market Dixon ZTR for trimming.

Now, the point of all this...the ZTR would make it possible to do the balance with a 6' 3pt on the 8N without breaking the budget, and still have the tractor available for other work. I have about $300 in my ZTR, including repairs. I prefer the belly mower on the N, but it rules out using the tractor for other purposes. All the rest are mostly for fun.

George Willer

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TJW

05-21-2003 11:27:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to More about my situation-Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 09:32:34  
Rob N VA,

Finish mower is pretty similar to a bush hog.

The difference is that they have 3 blades instead of one like the hog. This gives you a finer and more consistant cut. They also have four wheels that control height and allow for adjustment.

Here in NC at Leinbach's Woods or Sitrex at 72" will be anywhere from around 12 to 14 Hundred $.

They are built like Mack trucks though and are in my opionion a great investment..

Happy Mowing

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Look up...

05-21-2003 10:07:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to More about my situation-Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 09:32:34  
Woods Undermount Mowers for an idea of what a 'belly mower' is...

Salmoneye



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George Willer

05-21-2003 12:28:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Look up..., 05-21-2003 10:07:27  
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Here's a better look at what mine is like. This is my favorite. It's in its' 14th year for me. Both the tractor and mower were used when I got them. I'll soon bring it in for overdue spindle bearing maintainence.

George Willer



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Brian TN

05-21-2003 08:51:02




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
I bought my tractor so I wouldn't have to spend so much time on my mower. 6 acres on my 40" Murray took between 8 and 11 hours depending on grass height. I put more hours on that mower in 3 years than most will get in a lifetime. It threw the rod last year and inexplicably dropped the intake valve this spring. The mower frame is wearing out fast. Now that I have the tractor I'd like to find one of those snapper frames, put the 14hp briggs on it for around the house and junk the murray.

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Lee

05-21-2003 08:45:53




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
If you're mowing that much yard why not get a finish mower for your 8N. If you look around a decent used 6 foot one can be found for $400 to $800. The best price for a new one, that I saw anyway, was $1100 to $1200. I bought an old used one last fall and instead of using my riding mower(42 in) for the acre or so around the house and the Bush hog for the 8 acre field around that, I use the finish mower behind my Jubilee for the whole darned thing. All my riding mower does is some trim work where the tractor doesn't fit. An additional 20-30 minutes of running the weed eater and the place looks like a country club grounds. The Jubilee is more fun to drive than the riding mower anyway. Just a suggestion. Not knowing your yard it may not work for you but it's sure made my life easier and my mowing time about a third less than before.
Later, Lee

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Salmoneye

05-21-2003 08:40:10




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
For that kind of money, get yourself a belly-mower for the 8N...That or a 3-finish or a set of gangs...

Last 'riding mower' I bought, cost me $25 and the guy delivered it...It is a 12 hp AgWay made by MTD and it is still going...



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Evil Steve

05-21-2003 08:21:36




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 Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Rob N VA, 05-21-2003 08:17:28  
Latest issue of Consumer Reports has a full write-up. And if I recall, they had a (grrrrr) John Deere rider as a "Best Buy" in your price range.



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Consumer Reports?

05-21-2003 11:17:27




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 Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Evil Steve, 05-21-2003 08:21:36  
Aren't those the same Yahoos who claimed that allon (apple spray) would kill all of America's school children? And the same Yahoos who said that Audi cars had little gremlims that would push on the accelerator when you put it in reverse? Sorry, I guess I would need a more reputable source before I based a decision on someone who sells add space to the manufacturers of the products he is testing.

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tlak

05-22-2003 04:06:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Off the subject--Lawnmower in reply to Consumer Reports?, 05-21-2003 11:17:27  
I saw the audi think in a news report. I dont think it was always reverse. One lady was telling of running over her kid while she was in the drivers seat and couldn't do anything about it.
this is what they say at their site about funding; Did you know?
• We buy all the products we test at retail outlets--just like you do.
• All our findings are based on lab research and testing.
• We accept no advertising.
• We are a non-profit organization.
• Subscription revenue funds almost everything we do.

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