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Rob N VA

05-29-2003 06:38:32




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I just bought a pair of rear tires from Tucker tires. They should be here tomorrow. The gentleman I spoke to over the phone told me that the tires were shipped with only air (no fluid)
Makes sence I suppose. He also told me that you could get a "doo-dad" from NAPA to fill them up with fluid, but it attaches to a garden hose and that I would need to get some kind of pump to put the antifreeze in. It does not get all that cold here in Central Virginia, so I am wondering if I could get away with just putting a gallon or so of anti freeze in the tires, and just filling the rest with water. Anyone have any expierence with this? Also, what kind of pump do you all suggest? He said something about getting a drill driven pump from Wal-mart. Ever heard of such a device? How bad is it to just run the tires with air and no fluid? I am just gonna be doing some bushhogging and finishmowing? What are the benefits to filling with fluid? Thanks in advance for the feedback!---Rob

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Rob

05-29-2003 09:54:31




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
There might be some stability postive if you filled the tires 1/3 or less full, below the axel. Any weight you put axel high or above wouldn't seem to be helping to keep the center of gravity low which is critical. I don't know. Doesn't really sound like it would be a positive what with one wheel high and above the axel. Maybe some engineer can think it through for you.
Remember the added weight means more wear and tear on the tractor. More fuel, more oil.... I wouldn't have fluid but for the snow.

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Rob N VA

05-29-2003 09:33:43




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
Thanks for all the replies. I have got a pretty good idea that I do not need fluid necessarily. Does fluid add stability on hills? I guess that is the only thing I am thinking about now. Thanks again! Rob



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Matt from MN

05-29-2003 09:15:06




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
I would recommend not putting fluid in the tires if you plan to use it for mainly for mowing. I have a 48N with no fluid. I prefer this as much of the land we operate the tractor on is low lying wet ground, any fluid in those skinny tires on the N and I would be stuck. Also when finish mowing a yard or farm site, the lighter tractor will not leave tire tracks on lawn as much.



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But if...

05-29-2003 09:18:59




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 Re: Re: New Tires in reply to Matt from MN, 05-29-2003 09:15:06  
You ever plan to use it for snow removal the weight and chains is a must.

MikeC



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Matt from MN

05-29-2003 09:36:43




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 Re: Re: Re: New Tires in reply to But if..., 05-29-2003 09:18:59  
I agree with you MikeC. If there is a possibility that you will use it in the winter for snow removal or even if you might use it for plowing or other field work it may be a good idea to add some level of fluid. Any activity that requires a lot of pulling force will benefit from fluid in the tires through better traction, however if weight is a concern you will not harm anything by using only air in the tires. :)

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michael

05-29-2003 08:28:16




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
i mow and brush hog with my 8n. only air in the tires. the only advantage i am aware of is weight, not needed for these tasks



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Very true....Rob....nm

05-29-2003 09:00:13




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 Re: Re: New Tires in reply to michael, 05-29-2003 08:28:16  



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Rob

05-29-2003 08:17:45




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
I have one of those drill driven pumps come in handy about once in 5yrs. The line size is only like 3/8". Cost about $10. Filling tires from a 5 gal. bucket sounds like a good use for it. Brass fittings from hose to barb available at home improvement yards. Maybe they have em in PVC.



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souNdguy

05-29-2003 07:59:10




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
As the others stated... if you want to mix the anti freeze.. no need to buy a pump.. just cobble a funnle together and add enough *whatever* to keep the tires from freezing.
Many now use the eco-safe non poisonus rv style antifreeze.. or even windshield washer fluid ( methanol? based )

If you are just mowing.. I imagine a filled tire is going to print worse than a non filled one.. unless you need the weight for a loader or something specific like that.

Soundguy

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MikeC

05-29-2003 07:04:26




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
The "doo dad" is a device that allows air to escape while you fill the tire with fluid. You can get one that has an end for a garden hose. I used an antifreeze mix in mine that put it to about -20 (and then it will only start to get slushy).

I used a funnel with a section of hose, and then added equal parts of antifreeze and water. I simply poured it in. A little slow, but I only plan to do it once so purchasing a pump for this one time seemed a waste.

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Phil (VA)

05-29-2003 06:56:09




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 Re: New Tires in reply to Rob N VA, 05-29-2003 06:38:32  
Rob, I am in central VA also (Appomattox) and if you put in fluid you will need an agent to keep the fluid from freezing. It does get that cold here. When I get tires I just take the wheels to my local tire man and have him replace them and if I want fluid he puts in the fluid for a set fee (price of the fluid) and I don't have to handle it. I think they mostly use methanol now, rather than antifreeze (ethylene glycol) because the latter is so toxic to animals. The weight of fluid is most beneficial for using a loader or plowing. For mowing, etc., it is no particular benefit in my opinion and actually makes the tractor sink in the yard a little worse if you are mowing in finished areas. The weight does help stability on a hillside, however, if you don't fill the tire too much above the midpoint. Hope that helps.

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Bruce (VA)

05-29-2003 08:26:46




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 Re: Re: New Tires in reply to Phil (VA), 05-29-2003 06:56:09  
I've got two N's, a 1951 with fluid in the tires & 1950 without. I use the '50 for plowing, discing, grass cutting & until this year, pushing snow in Hanover Co VA. From my experience, I think the only real need for fluid in the tires is to push snow. It's rare that I spin the tires on the '50 when I'm plowing, but then again we have real sandy soil here. The big difference is in grass cutting; the '51 leaves ruts it wieghs so much! This fall, the blade is going on the '51 for snow duty. As to anti-freeze, yes you need it here in VA; if I ever need to re-fill the tires on the '51, I'll buy a couple of cases of windshield cleaner. It's cheap, non-toxic and won't freeze.

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David - OR

05-29-2003 08:23:56




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 Re: Re: New Tires in reply to Phil (VA), 05-29-2003 06:56:09  

Let's not let our natural concern for the well-being of our furry friends give us the wrong impression about these two substances.

Methanol is actually about 3 times MORE toxic than ethylene glycol. (Although neither one is "especially toxic" in the taxonomy of such things.) The fatal dose of ethylene glycol for an adult human is about 100 ml (half the contents of a coffee mug). Pure methanol has a fatal dose of more like 30 ml.

Also, unlike glycol, methanol can be absorbed through the skin, or breathed as vapors, and there have been cases of human poisoning both ways. Methanol is flammable.

All-in-all, methanol is much more dangerous to be handling than ethylene glycol.

Ethylene glycol is hazardous to animals not because of its extreme toxicity but because of its sweet taste. You will recognize the taste and smell if you've ever tried to diagnose that leaky radiator or heater core by blowing into the hose. Methanol, on the other hand, smells and tastes about as appetizing as gasoline.

If you park your tractor on a dirt or gravel surface, and the tire springs a leak, it is unlikely that enough fluid can accumulate to poison Fido, even if he laps industriously at the valve stem. But a substantial puddle on a concrete floor would be enough to be a problem -- which is where the whole issue came from.

You can learn more about the two substances at the attached link. I found several things surprising about the two:

1) Normally, the body breaks down poisons into less toxic compounds. However, for both of methonal and glycol the metabolites are much more toxic than the original substance.

2) As a result of 1), the initial symptoms of poisoning are a relatively benign intoxication. It takes a while (6 to 12 hours) for the metabolic byproducts to accumulate and severly damage the body.

3) The primary "antidote" for both is intravenous ethanol. That's right, good old Kentucky Sour Mash #5. It turns out that the liver is much more interested in metabolizing ethanol than methanol or ethylene glycol. By keeping the victim "drunk" for a considerable period, the liver is kept busy "working off the binge" and is prevented from creating toxic metabolites of glycol or methanol. The unchanged parent substance is slowly excreted by the lungs and kidneys.

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