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Rob

06-05-2003 08:14:14

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I've got the blade off the mount. It was held on by 4pins w/cotter keys. There were another two pins for the rams. There are two hydraulic rams of the type that you can just pull them apart like you do a pto drive shaft. Very similar in construction but fluid tight. The rams are extended by hydraulic pressure from the belly pump. There are controls and switchs under the seat on the right. The blade only goes up and down. The mount is held on by the axel bolts plus one. A big I-beam fabrication extends back under each radius arm. It isn't fastened to the arm but it will contact the arm back by the tranny when torque is applied by the blade. One of the cupped radius arm mounts on the tranny is busted and will need welded or replaced.
I bet this 8N dozer can push hard with that Everett tranny on there.

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I could use a cook

06-05-2003 14:47:27

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Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 08:14:14

But what do I need an Everett for? I don't get it.

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Rob

06-05-2003 15:05:26

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Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to I could use a cook, 06-05-2003 14:47:27

The inquiries I have are from peeps that want to rototill or do grading work. They need the slow ground speed or a lot of push.

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Willy-N

06-05-2003 10:05:13

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Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 08:14:14

You would be better off with a Sherman 3 Speed. The Everett Tranny is designed for fast PTO speed while going slower. The gears are kind of fragil and can be busted. Be carefull dozing with it. Sell the everett and get a sherman you would be better off, the everett is worth more too. Mark H.

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Rob

06-05-2003 10:19:09

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Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Willy-N, 06-05-2003 10:05:13

I don't agree at all with that. I think you have the Everett confused with the fragile Howard. The guts of the Everett are strong enough that if you PULL with it you can pull the housing apart. But if you PUSH with it it's one HARD CHARGING slow dozer sum gun! I spose 3rd or 4th gear w/Everett low is a fairly good push. That's assuming 1st gear w/Everett low was trenching speed. Stay tuned to this channel for updates as they become available.
This is the factory set up for the 8N excavator model. I don't want the blade. I'll probably part with the Everett too. I love having remote hydraulics out of the belly pump though!

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markct

06-05-2003 11:50:54

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Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 10:19:09

there was no "factory" excavator model, all those conversions were done by other companies,probably when the tractor was brand new, but not by the ford factory. even sherman trannys were "dealer instaled". ford made just plain basic one model at a time tractors back then, the options were instaled at the dealers. and i agree with the others about that tranny, the N series have enough touque in 1st gear to slip the tires normaly anyhow, so if you gear it down with that everret and then put a big weight on it you will for sure break something,rearend,axle, something has to go eventualy

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Willy-N like this!

06-05-2003 12:30:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to markct, 06-05-2003 11:50:54

Here is what happens with to much tork and very little slip. Pinion Shaft can snap right off! Mark H.

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Rob

06-05-2003 14:30:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Willy-N like this!, 06-05-2003 12:30:44

If I had to guess I'd say that broken pinion shafts result more from hooking up 30-50hp 5' heavy-duty bush hogs and 35-70hp 6' finish mowers to 50 yr old 25hp tractors then to Everett transmissions powering a dozer blade. But that's just my hunch.

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markct

06-05-2003 20:52:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 14:30:09

rob, ya gota start doing a bit of thinking, willy n posted a picture of a twisted off pinion shaft, that has nothing to do with the pto drive at all, you could hook up the biggest pto powered mower you wanted to and it may screw up your pto drive, but it aint gona twist off your pinion shaft, you seem to be a bit thick headed so if ya want to go push all ya can with that everret then go right ahead, its your tractor do what ya like, but i have a feeling that sooner or later ya will be posting here asking where ya can find rearend or everret parts.

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Rob

06-06-2003 00:04:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to markct, 06-05-2003 20:52:28

Ok your the guy that says dealer installed options can't be called 'factory.' I guess that goes for the tires too. My Fords have had Firestone tires for decades but I guess those aren't 'factory' because they are made by someone else and the dealer put on the wheels. Listen. Loading up your N with impliments rated at higher horsepower stresses the tractor in many ways, not just the pto shaft. If you can't see that intuitively then get someone to help you think it through.

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markct

06-06-2003 20:25:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-06-2003 00:04:16

rob, i agree entirely that using a big bushog or any sorta oversized pto powered implement stresses the tractors, all i am saying is that it wont stress your pinion shaft, just your pto driveline, however pushing with that everett in lower gear most ceartainly will. but do whatever ya like

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Rob

06-07-2003 01:43:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to markct, 06-06-2003 20:25:29

Now get back to the point Mark made, that the Everett is "fragile." That's all I said, that he had it confused with the Howard. Pointing to all the broken pinion shafts Mark has seen and blaming the Everett is pretty silly too.

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My My!

06-06-2003 04:19:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-06-2003 00:04:16

Aren't we testy when someone points out our errors!

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Rob

06-06-2003 04:40:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to My My!, 06-06-2003 04:19:23

Ah! Another anonymous poster. You girls should be posting in one of the teen rooms.

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Fred Long

06-05-2003 10:43:20

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Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 10:19:09

Rob, don't want to hurt your feelings, but Mark is right about the transmission. I have repaired many of them during the early part of my life. If the transmission doesn't break, the rear end will. Too much torque. I am with Willy N on this one.

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Rob

06-05-2003 11:21:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Fred Long, 06-05-2003 10:43:20

For shore it's got torque! What kind of repairs? To the housing or the guts? You saying an Everett is tough enough to shell out the rear end of an 8N? Doesn't sound fragile to me.
If the 8N is pushing an immovable object and it shells out the rear end that is not because of a 'fragile' aux tranny. That's a tranny tougher then the rear end!

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Willy-N

06-05-2003 12:26:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Rob, 06-05-2003 11:21:41

You were right I was thinking about the Howard. But a 8n geared down has a lot more tork to the rear gears and if the blade snags somethine you have more tork with higher rpms on the engine to break something instead of stalling the engine. Run it in forth and you won't break much just stall the engine out. Couplers will break and so will differentials and axles. Draging a blade verses pushing a blade make for more problems when the mass stops dead on a rock or object sticking up. Here is a picture of what can happen. I have sold a lot of rear differentials to people for some reason. Mark H.

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Rob

06-05-2003 13:57:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Dozer blade in reply to Willy-N, 06-05-2003 12:26:44

You're sure right about the rear blade. You don't want to pull with an Everett. You can pull the trencher and that's about it. But that's no load you just creep. It's a pushing machine. The rear tires on this tractor are worn in a real odd way. I'm sure it's from slipping while pushing dirt and leveling.

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