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Axel shims welded axel nut.

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Rob

06-20-2003 04:35:40




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This '51 8N has the right hand nut welded onto the axel and lose by about twice the shim thickness. They didn't spot weld the nut, it's a bead all the way around the dang axel! The right axel has 5 shims and the left 3.
Seems I can move the 3 shims to the right and torque with the left axel nut taking out the space on the right. Is that correct? Is there any need to have a minimum number of shims on one side or the other?
I'm not sure I'm going to gain anything but I thought I would post before I started swapping shims and check for a response before I torque it all down.
Thanks.

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klf

06-21-2003 12:02:26




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 Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to Rob, 06-20-2003 04:35:40  
What they said is right. There is no repair or salvage to what you have. Buy 2 axles, 2 hubs, 2 nuts, 2 axle bearings, all the seals for both sides, and some 80W-90 gear oil. Im sure the brakes aren't the best with the hubs loose, because the hub seal gets ruined and fills the drum with oil; so check the brakes too. I would hate to run a tractor with poor brakes. When you have it all fixed, make sure that axle nut is tight, and I mean tight!! I don't have the proper torque spec at this minute, I can look it up. I always check the nuts on mine when I change the oil or grease it.

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Rob

06-21-2003 13:12:05




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 Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to klf, 06-21-2003 12:02:26  
One side is fine. The seal was bad on the side with the welded nut but it hasn't leaked so much there is any oil on the rim. The bearing looks fine on both sides and the brakes are great. That wet brake cleaned up good. I'll know more about the bearing on the welded side when I grind that nut off. The brakes haven't ever been adjusted out. The drums haven't been worn to speak of. This tractor wasn't used much, never for farming.
The hub doesn't have any wobble in it just slides along the splines. I guess that's splines in there. The hub seems to lay on the bearing just fine. I might get away with one of those repair nuts they sell for this problem. Don't know how much mat'l I will have to remove to get that nut off and I don't know how many threads those repair nuts need.
I guess the hub is worn and will need replaced though because that's the root of the problem. That's what they say anyway. I'll see when I tear into it.
Need a grinder.

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klf

06-21-2003 21:31:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to Rob, 06-21-2003 13:12:05  
Don't replace one or the other, replace the hub and axle together. When they are run loose, you lose the taper fit between the two. If the other side is good, then leave it alone; but make sure that "C" lock ring is on the nut to keep it tight. Also check the tightness of the nuts periodically too. Have fun and be safe.



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Rob

06-22-2003 01:13:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to klf, 06-21-2003 21:31:28  
Ah! Good point, thanks. You know anything about those repair nuts they sell for the loose hub thing?



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ZANE

06-20-2003 05:29:26




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 Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to Rob, 06-20-2003 04:35:40  
I am assuming you are speaking of shims added behind the axle nut and the hub on the axle????

If this is the case you are fighting a loosing battle. Best to throw up a white flag and surrender to the fact that you are going to have to replace the axles and hubs. This will include the seals and gaskets too on the trumpet housings when you are doing the changing. Maybe the axle bearings too.

Zane

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Rob

06-20-2003 06:26:59




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 Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to ZANE, 06-20-2003 05:29:26  
I was thinking I could take up some slack by adding those big spacers all to one side. The spacers you swap around to get the bearing loaded right. Won't do what I want. I might have to replace a bunch of the stuff you mentioned. For now it goes back to gether and I'll come up with some shim between the axel nut that is welded to the the axel and its washer.
Took the shims off the other side. Looked like there were three. Got things cleaned up and those three turned into 3 2/3 shims in 7 different pieces only one was a complete shim. Two pieces matched making on more complete shim and the other 4 pieces don't match each other but a guy can make one more shim with two pieces (1/2 and 1/6) left over.
Glad I got into it.

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DallasGa

06-20-2003 07:31:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to Rob, 06-20-2003 06:26:59  
Ha Rob,It sounds like you're fighting two different problems,a lose hub on a now ruined axle and, end play in the axle bearings.They don't effect each other.A bearing adjustment affects both sides so swapping doesn't change anything.Add more shims,there 50cents or so.As for the axle and hub it seems like you'll have to replace them,the hub will chew up the bearing retainer sooner or later if you dont.Or sinse the retainer already can't be removed from the axle, why not weld the hub to the axle? You have nothing to loss,you going to have to cut the axle anyway to get the retainer and brake plate if you replace the axle.

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Rob

06-20-2003 07:56:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Axel shims welded axel nut. in reply to DallasGa, 06-20-2003 07:31:27  
Yup. I'm thinking on the same lines. Right now I don't know why they welded the nut but likely it's a bad axel huh? The axel took the hub bad or the other way around, right? Can't get it apart to see to tell.
So I'm thinking I'll try to shim it hard and square between the nut and the washer or the hub then, at least, spot weld it all to hold.
I don't see I'll be ruining any parts that aren't on the replacement list anyway.
One day I'll gring all the welds off to see what gives.

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