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Rob N Va

07-08-2003 19:12:33




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I posted on page two about my trials and tribulations of my finish mower. Here's my progress. I got the stabilizer bars in place, but found that I had to cut the shaft to do so, hence my alignment problem (not too easy of a job when all you have on hand is your trusty dremel, but that's another story!)
The shaft was already short, but now it is really short and if I raise the mower all the way up, the shaft comes apart and starts beating around on everything in it's path, not to mention deforming it to the point of making it difficult to put back together. So I went from too long, to too short and only cut 2 inches off of it. What gives?!?!? It seems like if the gear box on the mower was set back farther, this would be a lot easier. Has anyone else had this problem? Are all finish mowers like this, or do I just have a low end model? It cuts grass great, just the set up is kinda difficult. It has no markings on it to tell what kind of mower it is, so I can't help with that, but I can take a picture and e-mail it if that helps. Thanks for all the help and advise and suggestions!!--Rob

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Gaspump

07-09-2003 06:39:18




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 Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Rob N Va, 07-08-2003 19:12:33  
I had shaft length problem with a Woods finish mower, gear box location was actually too high for an Ford N. Shaft had to be cut just right, not too long or short. If your shaft is prone to come apart you have a dangerous situation, I suggest you get a new shaft and cut it correctly before serious injury and/or damage is done. Follow instructions carefully when cutting. Most shafts require a minimum 1/3 length engagement of both sections of the total fully extended length. Impossible to come apart if this rule of thumb is followed.

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MikeC

07-09-2003 03:58:18




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 Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Rob N Va, 07-08-2003 19:12:33  
Rob,
I saw a post the other day on a different board with the exact problem that you are experiencing. I don't know what brand of mower that he had but it must be a fairly common problem.

I would do what Steve recommended and just don't lift it all the way up. I have a Woods RM360 and lifted it up once. When I saw the angles that it put on the PTO shaft I never did it again. Now if I have to transport it somewhere I either disconnect it (takes about 15 seconds) or since it has wheels on all 4 corners I just leave it down and turn the PTO off.

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Steve W

07-08-2003 19:33:15




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 Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Rob N Va, 07-08-2003 19:12:33  
I'm gonna make an assumption you bought a King Kutter. If so, rest assured you aren't the first to cut the shaft too short. Mine will come apart after lifting all the way, and yet I don't think it could be longer and still work. If you look at the geometry of the king kutter, you will see the little "dogbone" swingarmes that attach the frame for the attachment of the toplink and swingarms to the mower deck itself.

Because this extra geometry changes the length of the driveshaft when put from one extreme to the other, there isn't much you can do. If you made it longer, you would have the PTO shaft under occasional compression pressure, and that can't be good. What I did was add a Zane Thang, and I just lift the deck no more than a foot off the ground. Problem solved.

I hope this helps
Take Care
Steve

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Jim WI

07-09-2003 10:51:45




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 Re: Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Steve W, 07-08-2003 19:33:15  
I've a King Kutter and had to cut the shaft down a bit. The important thing is to cut the minimum needed -- you really need to think carefully about it before cutting.

My shaft isn't too long when compressed (although very little play left) not is it too short when I lift the deck all the way.



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Steve W

07-09-2003 11:45:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Jim WI, 07-09-2003 10:51:45  
Well....on my 9N, it is true that normally it won't come apart, but if one of those dog bones dosen't release when I raise it, it will come apart. And yet when I try to unhook the PTO shaft, sometimes I have to push the mower back to give me clearance for removal.

Do you use a ORC on your mower? I do, because it is too hard to get off when I switch to a different implement.

Take Care
Steve

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Rob N Va

07-08-2003 19:13:52




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 Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Rob N Va, 07-08-2003 19:12:33  
Maybe I am just cutting it wrong? I cut both sides of the shaft equally..I dunno--Rob



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souNdguy

07-08-2003 20:18:47




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 Re: Re: Finish Mower..... again in reply to Rob N Va, 07-08-2003 19:13:52  
I guess you could carefully measure the sections as you lift, and mark the 'maximum safe lift', and set your quadrant stop there, so while mowing you don't accidentally lift higher than that.

good luck

Soundguy



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