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(N)eophyte

01-15-2001 14:50:08




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I'm looking at two very similar old fords--one is a 9n and the other is a 8n. I'm wondering which is a better"workhorse." I plan on using it to "move some dirt" "drag some logs" and any other misc tasks (mow, "bush hog??" and blow snow) I can think up as an excuse to buy one of them. The tractors are within $200 of each other and appear to be in similar state of repair (both good)--check compression--_(per friends rec)and both spec out over 90 w/ no variance over 10 psi. which Tractor is better? I found out about the difference in reverse gear (the hard way--man 8n is much faster--which scares me) and the 9n has an O.D. trans. the 8n doesn't. Also is the "goofy brake set-up on the 9n a problem for people (if not why did they change it is my thought) My other concern is the dist on the 9n is up front and the 8n is on the side. Is this a big problem to set timing on the front mount--(how often to I have to dis-assemble this thing? is there any "jig" to help set timing. It seems the side mount would be easier to maintain. Thanks for any advice And sorry I ramble on so long. "neophyte"

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OKcity8N

01-18-2001 12:08:49




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
Convince the wife she NEEDS one. Buy one for her, and of course, one for you. Problem solved.



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I have both and....

01-16-2001 13:10:16




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
I like my 8N better because
1. I have kids and the 8N has a cutout on the transmission shifter that prevents it from starting in gear.
2. I have hills on my property and trying to brake going down hills backwards on my 9N is scary because I always have to push the clutch and the brake at the same time. So I always wind up getting sideways on hills because I can only brake with one foot.
3. Position control on the 3 pt. hitch on the 8N.


My $.02 worth. Mitch

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9N'er

01-16-2001 02:55:28




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
Some rave about the slower reverse gear on the 9N. The 9N with the auxillary tranny that is a benefit.

Brakes: you learn to use what's ya got, and make the most of it. 9N brake on same side is not a big deal, yeah sure a little "goofy" but on the low end of the goofy scale.

Front mount Distributor: not a big deal. Side is more convenient, but when it's all said and done, more than likely you will spend about the same amount of time tuning up either tractor. Setting timing is a piece of cake. Get an I&T Manual...or read about it on Tyler Neff's website. Easy to follow, easy to do.

How often to disassemble the distributor? only when you leave the igniton switch on when the tractor is shut down. You will go through points as long as you do that.

Points: finicky little devils. the contact points have a micro thin layer on it...sometimes they go bad even new out of the box...and sometimes they last a long time if ya turn the ignition switch off. Once you develop a relationship with the tractor and know it's quirks and starting quirks, you will be able to read it fairly well and know when something isn't quite right.

Position control on the 8N is a nice feature...but shouldn'y limit you...as stated below, Zane Thang will take care of that on the 9N.

Depending on serial number, the 9N is somewhat more collectible if that's of interest.

Can't go wrong with either one.

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Kerry Miller

01-15-2001 19:03:14




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
If you ever pull anything very heavy, you'll like the 8n's lower 1st gear. 1st gear on the 9n is pretty fast.

Kerry



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rod

01-15-2001 18:30:17




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
If you get either one and want to move snow get a front mounted blade on it somehow. Once you use a front mount blade you will love it. As to 9N or 8N I can't say I have three Ferguson TEA's and run two of them they are very much like a 9N in most respects.

regards
rod



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swavo

01-15-2001 18:25:54




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
I would buy the 8n, a little more hp.the 4-speed trans,same side brakes,draft control and when its painted red and gray it'll be the right colors.



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Red Raider

01-15-2001 17:33:36




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
An auxiliary transmission on the 9N would give you all sorts of gear combos to run circles around the 8N without one. The front mount distributor is easy to pull off even around the fan blades, so that is not an issue. The brake setup really hasn't been a problem for me so far.

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Old8Ner

01-15-2001 21:06:29




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 Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Red Raider, 01-15-2001 17:33:36  
You may run circles around the 8N with the 9N,but the 8N will jerk a knot in the 9N's tail when it comes to stump pulling power.Depends on what you are gonna do with it I guess,race it or work it!! (:-})



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nogrimace

01-15-2001 17:06:23




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  

I would ge the 8N.



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Andy MN

01-15-2001 16:53:47




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
Haveing recently purchased a 9N for our tree farm, I would have gladly spent the extra money for an 8N. My uses are similar, brush mowing and log hauling etc.. I like the 9N but it would be nice to have an independant PTO from the hydro. Having a degree in biology, I look at it this way; Would you rather be a reptile or a mamal? 8N is a higher form of evolution.

I would insist on testing the Hydro system with something heavy on it, ie. rotory cutter or disc to see if they respond as you want them to. If they do not respond, don't walk, run away. If you check the record you can see I have had many problems with my lift. Lift problems seem to be endemic with the 9Ns.

Warning!!! You can get hooked on this stuff. I startred out wanting a "work horse" and now I find my self checking this fourm 3 times a day. Zane is the N Ninja Master. Seek his advise and follow it.

What kind of work will you be doing with your N? Sounds very similiar to what I want to do.


Andy MN

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9N'er

01-16-2001 02:43:12




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 Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Andy MN, 01-15-2001 16:53:47  
Andy: BUT, it seems that thermoregulation has worked fine for billions of years! :)



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bg

01-15-2001 18:59:16




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 Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Andy MN, 01-15-2001 16:53:47  
The 8N isn't that far evolved from the 9/2N. Neither the 8N nor the 9N has an independent PTO. The biggest difference as far as 8N usability is in the 4-speed and having the brakes on the same side. If you aren't hung up on having an N, like some of us nostalgiacs , a later blue-line 3000-5000 is a lot more tractor.



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(N)eophyte

01-15-2001 18:03:30




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 Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Andy MN, 01-15-2001 16:53:47  
I'm clearing some property(s). I also have a long driveway to maintain And will have plenty of grass to mow (I am also in Mn (though hard to admit after sunday)and snow removal will be a task--thats why the fast reverse bothers me). I thought the "pto and 3-point" were similar on the two tractors--although I did notice a little lever under the seat on the 8N. (the owner said it is only used for plowing (??true??).

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Brent Danielson

01-16-2001 08:06:28




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 Re: Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 18:03:30  
I'd go with the 8n, in fact, I did. And I moved a lot of snow with mine in the last couple of weeks. I have a 600' drive too. But I do most of my initial moving in forward. Works real well, but you can use reverse too. The big advantages of the 8n over the 9n in my opinion are
1. Postion control of the 3 pt on the 8n - a Zane Thang can fix that though
2. A much better stearing box on the 8n
3. Side mount distributor - mine is an early 8n so it's front mount like the 9n. Not a big deal but a side mount would have been nicer when it wa -5 and I had to pull the points.
4. Brakes on the right
5. 4 gears forward - I will run on the road from time to time.


Of all of these, #1 would be the biggest issue except for Zane's invention. Then I think #2, at least for me.

Brent

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ED

01-16-2001 01:30:59




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 Re: Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 18:03:30  
that small lever is for position control

remember the 3pt hitch was designed to keep things in the ground at a constant level (field plowing), not above the ground (snow plowing).

position control lets you set the 3pt hitch at constant levels above the ground.

ZANE's THANG will correct that shortcomming on the 9N



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JimNC

01-15-2001 15:15:58




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 Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 14:50:08  
Buy them both, then you won't have to change implements as often. Just make up one H__L of an excuse to the better half why you need two ;>)



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Will9N2042

01-15-2001 17:58:30




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 Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to JimNC, 01-15-2001 15:15:58  
Buy both. That way the workload of each tractor is reduced by half meaning the tractors will last twice as long thereby making the price the same only over a longer period of time. This is the logic I use when convincing the wife that yet again I am always right.



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(N)eophyte

01-15-2001 18:34:34




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 Re: Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Will9N2042, 01-15-2001 17:58:30  
So when ya comin over to 'splain that to my wife??? I know CPR but that don't help much for buckshot in the keister.



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Fred OH

01-16-2001 07:25:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to (N)eophyte, 01-15-2001 18:34:34  
The 8N is the better of the two tractors and it's either slip the clutch or throttle down for the reverse thing. The 9N brake thing is that if properly adjusted, by shoving the clutch all the way down, it is also the left brake and that is some advantage, but both on one side is more safe and convenient. I've run them both and the 9N leaves a little bit to be desired when you are mowing in second and could use another higher gear. If both machines seem in similar condition, I'd check things like raising the front end off the ground and check for slack and also the hydraulics and transmission (noises in all gears). I've had them both, but for a working tractor, the 8N is superior and also with the side distributor, quite a bit newer model. I would be heavily biased toward it. Sorry 9Ner and the rest of the 9n lovers. (including myself) L8R----Fred OH

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SIMPLY THE ONLY ANSWER TO THE AGE OLD QUESTION

01-16-2001 20:17:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: which would you buy in reply to Fred OH, 01-16-2001 07:25:53  
The only thing you should be worried about is where are you going to store BOTH 8n and the 9n any man worth a damn would buy both [at least thats what I told my wife]! ha ha love my 8n, love my O4, which one do I play with today???



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