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Rob N VA

11-04-2003 18:41:39




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I just can't imagine how this thing could possibly fit. Anyone ever seen one of these before, or used one before?




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Rob N VA

11-05-2003 18:06:29




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
Interesting. Learn something new every day. Thanks for the feedback, Guys!--Rob



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duey

11-05-2003 15:19:08




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
Rob, I read their text they have in the e-bay ad, only comment I have is that when *my* ring gear got replaced, it wasn't because the teeth were just ragged one one edge, the vast majority of the teeth were beyond use in the engagement areas.

If one needs a ring gear, one NEEDS a ring gear!!!

duey



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Steve(OR)

11-05-2003 13:54:26




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
If this engages the engine side of the ring gear you oughta be able to get twice the life out of the ring gear by switching out starters. Kinda like turning your dirty socks inside out to avoid washing them! LOL



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Steve C

11-05-2003 11:28:49




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
Let me say that I am not a purist when it comes to N series tractors. I just painted a 9N with 8N colors and converted it to 12v for trouble free starting. To me, these wonderful tractors are made to be used. I will order one of these starters in a minute when my old one fails. The argument about outer bearing support has merit, but as someone observed, the 9N/8N starter has a much longer shaft and has never had support. The short nose of the drive and the high torque motor offer some real advantages. The Ford starters have their problems too, drives that stick engaged, bent shafts, early kick-out, etc.
The quality of the motor and conversion parts may be awful, I have no idea, but the concept looks good to me.
Has anyone actually installed one?

Steve C

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Jim Cox

11-05-2003 05:21:12




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
Dell is 100% right. Actually FORD starters are basically backwards. They extend the drive clutch way out past the flywheel, and then spin it back to the starter to engage the ring gear. No one else I can think of does this. Odd as it is, it has worked for years, although I'm sure having to get the clutch past the flywheel so It could come back to it later is not the easiest way to install a starter. Additionally, the armature shaft is not supported on both sides of the load like it is with JD, Allis, Chevy, Mopar, Massey, and EVERYBODY else's intertia engaging starters. This is one of my beefs with the gear reduction starters too. The bearings in the drive clutches warm up, and then the return spring loses tension, and then you need a new starter. I'm not a huge fan of knock-off starters. A rebuilt unit (local rebuilder or dealership) from a OEM core stands a better chance of fitting, and already has 60 years of proven performance, For what it's worth
Jim Cox
Product Engineering
Case / New Holland Reman Electrical

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Dell (WA)

11-05-2003 00:25:31




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 Re: E-bay starter in reply to Rob N VA, 11-04-2003 18:41:39  
Rob..... ....ah yes, the infamous $150 12 volt NippoDenso starter addapted to the N-Tractor starter hole. The starter gear engages the engine side of the flywheel starter ring gear.

You do realize the OEM 6 volt starter has a 6" long shaft that extends PAST the ringgear and the bendix drive sucks back up the starter shaft into the tranny side of the starter ringgear, don't you?

A couple of years ago, when they first came out, someone asked the N-Board about them and it created quite a brouhaha. You might want to do a search of the N-Board "archives" at the top of the page.

I do know of one fellow that was very satisfied with one for his flathead V-8 "Funk" conversion.

You can get re-manufactured 6 volt N-Starters for $100..... ..Dell

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