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Rob N VA

02-04-2004 18:04:50




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I am remodeling a kitchen in rental property I inherited last year. I have never done this before (remodeling) and I am seeking the endless wisdom of the folks on this board.

I am installing an over the range microwave/hood vent and I need some advise on the vent ducting. I haven't purchased the microwave yet, but I am pretty confident that I want the vented vs. the charcoal "filtered" vent. This kitchen is very small and heat does become a factor when cooking, thus I want the vented stuff to go outside. At any rate, as I understand it the microwaves come standard with a 10" by 3" opening/stack for the vent, and I have to run that up 3 feet and over 6.5 feet to an exterior wall. Here's where it gets tricky, and I need some advise. This is a brick house with concrete block behind the brick. I am concerned about drilling a 6 inch hole through the wall, that is to say, I am concerned that it would comprimise structural integrity. This house has NO interior studs for the walls, just brick, then block, then plaster. I asked the guys at Lowes if I could reduce the vent pipe from 6 inches down to four, and still be within code, and not hurt anything, and put a smaller hole through my wall, and he said yes. However, the local appliance dealer told me that the vent fan couldn't push enough CFM through a smaller pipe to be effective. So I don't know what to believe, and I am confused. I hope you folks can help me so I can finish this remodel project and get back to more important things like my 8N!!!!
Thanks in advance for any suggestions, and sorry for the long post.

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Brad

02-05-2004 10:35:50




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Check with local code and see if venting into the atic is an option, otherwise, I would go through the wall.

Brad



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Choices...John,PA

02-05-2004 09:12:57




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Rob,
If I had my choice, I would simply install a range hood that simply recirculated the kitchen air through some type of filter in the hood. This eliminates the ducting situation, and unless the tenant understands about cfm's etc, you can cause yourself a lot of unecessary headaches, down stream. Maintenance, cleaning the hood assembly, etc.

When I engineered high-end hood systems, I put a small vent (about the size of a dryer vent) somewhere in the kitchen, maybe behind the refrigerator, stove, etc. . This vent opens a little to allow "make-up" air to be drawn into the kitchen, or else the actual workings of a ducted hood become less effective the longer the fan blows.

A tenant can understand about washing the filters. They sometimes even operate the hood without filters in place and then the ducts can get to a point of being a real mess.

So, I encourage ductless hoods in rental properities. Actually in my own house, I prefer a simple old fashioned fan in the wall type.

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Jeff

02-05-2004 07:26:07




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Rob, here is the deal. If it is a rental property the first rule of thumb I like to use is will it benefit me. Venting outside is good when you think about renters because it is not their house and most people really dont give a rats patoot if the house fills with smoke.

If you put in a $150-175 microwave range that is fine but think you should just go with a range hood. It will use the same venting and I cannot imagine having to use a 6" duct. I went thru cinder block in the past and just ended up using my air compresser and small air hammer (we are talking about one used for a car) to knock a hole in the block and sealed it up with "GREAT STUFF" expanding foam.

If you go with a carbon filter all that will happen is they will just plug the thing up and not spring for the $20 for a new filter. Then you will just have a house with a bunch of grease and smoke in it.

If it were me, duct the pipe outside and go with an inexpensive broan over the stove duct.

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Johnny

02-05-2004 07:22:33




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Recently went through a similar remodel. Learned that any 30deg or more angle in the duct work increase materially the CFMs required to work effectively. For every 90deg angle, increase required CFMs by 25%. This also means that two 45deg angles need an additional 25%. Easiest thing is to go through the roof, if that is an option. Another option, if the house has a well ventilated crawl space, is to go down (Jen-Aire). However, you will still need a charcoal filter in this scenario to keep grease from building up.

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BTU's..John,PA

02-05-2004 06:05:42




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Range Hoods are generally sized for their CFM's to partner-up with the BTU's of the top burners of a kitchen stove. Most stoves (household) put off approx. 1400 btu's for each top burner. Some of those "commercial-type" stoves and cook-tops, like the ones you see on the cooking shows, put off a lot more btu's.

So, there is a relationship between the ventilation fan in the hood and the btu's being generated by the appliance.

It has been awhile since I did some kitchen engineering, but if you contact the stove manufacturer, they can help you with determining the CFM of the hood blower, and, the dia. of the vent pipe.

Funny thing about hood ventilation. You can put a negative pressure in the house and snuff out pilot lights.

I would make the tenant provide their own micro-wave.

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E. Ray

02-05-2004 09:39:09




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 Re: Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to BTU's..John,PA, 02-05-2004 06:05:42  
Don’t know about snuffing out pilot lights but, be very careful about use a vent fan in any house that has other gas fired appliances. Check that the make up air is not being pulled down thur the vents for these.



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souNdguy

02-05-2004 05:33:44




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Lots of ranges have filtered hood vents... I have an island kitchen.. the range is no where near an exterior wall.. works fine.

As for the block wall.. keep in mind that not all the cells are filled ( with concrete )... many are hollow.. or at best, are filled with insulation.. etc.

People add pet doors all the time... no problems there either.

Soundguy



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Tim ohio

02-04-2004 20:56:48




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Rob ,punch a hole or charcoal is ok.im a builder and sometimes in a certain situation is all you can do .If you need more info , reply, ill give you my phone # ok?



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buck

02-04-2004 20:24:45




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  

4" vent will work fine but go with the unvented. If you check code close I think you will find that the use of the microwave hood vent will be in violation if mounted at regular hood vent height and especially if you have gas range. Suggest standard hood vent and let renter supply their own microwave.



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DallasGa

02-04-2004 19:18:28




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Rob, If it's a rental, just vent it back into the room. I've installed dozens in new houses I've built and never had a complaint. Mine is the same way. If you really want to go outside with it though, a well cut 6" hole isn't going to hurt a block wall. And yes,a 4" vent will reduce the cfm a bunch.



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FC

02-04-2004 19:17:43




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 Re: O.T. Microwave hood Vent in reply to Rob N VA, 02-04-2004 18:04:50  
Maybe someone with the expertise will respond, but I cannot imagine a range hood that would move enough air to require a 6" vent pipe. When I built my house I bought a very good exhaust hood, and it only required a 3" if memory serves. However, I did not vent it out and used the charcoal filters trying to save a buck, and then found the filters cost roughly $20. My builder said most do not vent out of the house now. Honestly I had a vented hood at my old house, and it did not do very well, but then again it may have been a poor example. My opinion....go with the filter, and save a lot of work (especially considering it is a rental). Just my opinion.

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