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O.T. Please explain this to me

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Rob N VA

02-23-2004 04:25:13




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I have a 99 Silverado that is going bonkers. Last night the ABS warning light went off and there was a whiring noise comming from underneath, what sounded like the transfer case, but it was dark and cold, so I didn't investigate too much. I pulled off into a gas station and pulled the 60 amp fuse from the under the hood fuse panel (this truck has 2 fuse panels).

So I am at a loss here, what is the ABS system makes an electric motor sound??? And is aparently somewhere near the transfer case. At first I thought the electric motor that shifts it ito and out of 4x4 had gone screwey, but it seemed to shift fine when I tried to put it in 4x4. Besides, why would that make the ABS idiot light go off? Any thoughts or suggestions before I call my mechanic and spend more money than I have to? Thanks in advance for the help!!!!--Rob

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Steve in NC

02-23-2004 16:10:56




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
Hey Rob

The problem is the module that is mounted on top of the ABS assy. The part is around 750.00 and you can replace just the module. The module is mounted with 4 T20 torx screws but if you replace it yourself besure to use a air nozzle and blow out the dirt in the screw heads so the bit will fit good, if you dont you may have to grind the head off, been there and done that. Also take it loose from the frame and pull it down for more room. Hope this helps Steve PS you dont have to remove brake lines

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hobo, Nc

02-23-2004 17:03:18




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 Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Steve in NC, 02-23-2004 16:10:56  
Classic failer as long as he removed the fuse in time to save the pump.



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Rob N VA

02-23-2004 18:25:02




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to hobo, Nc, 02-23-2004 17:03:18  
I removed the fuse, but the pump seemd to be running constantly before I did. I dunno what the deal is with that. I am still learning about the ABS system, and how it works, and what exactly my problem is. Thanks for the input, I am taking the truck to a local mechanic (not the dealer) on Wednesday to have them run a diagnostic, and pull the error codes to see what the deal is. I'll just have to take it from there. If you think of anything else, I am all ears!! Thanks again----Rob

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Bob

02-23-2004 07:53:58




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
Simple answer. There is an electric motor operated pump that pressures up an accumulator so instant pressure is available for the ABS unit. Once the accumulator is pressurized, the pump shuts down until the pressure drops due to internal leakage, or use of the ABS system.

The source of your problem could be either an electronic problem, or a physical problem with the pump, or a stuck valve, or a bad sensor.

Before panicking completely, find a reasonable place with the appropriate scan tool to pull the trouble codes. The repairs needed could run from minor to outta sight!

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Hobo,NC

02-23-2004 07:25:37




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
With or with out ABS diagnostics start out the same. FIRST check yer brake fluid, then ya need to get under it and check all the lines, pads shoes etc. I have read of a way to fix the ABS module if'n ya get to that point I will look it back up. Go to your machanic as I am sure if'n he is like me he needs the money. I have not seen a module fail yet but know its a problem. What i see most is the ABS wheel sensor gets rust build up that causes low speed ABS activation under 5 mph. then you would remove the sensor and clean the bore out were it fits in the hub. This does not cause the ABS light to come on. sounds like the ABS pump is not able to build enoufh pressure.
Start with the basics, good luck.

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Willy-N

02-23-2004 07:09:42




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
I do not like the ABS Brakes!! I have them on my new Chevy Truck and School Bus I drive. On the ice they allways kick in and I slide right on by places to often! They seem to be way to much into letting them off to stop a slip of the tires. Must have made them for panic stoppers because I can stop my old truck better on wet stuff then the new one. They are nice if you slam them on in a curve or panic nothing goes out of control I tried it a few times. But when you want to stop fast they push up on the pedal to much! Mark H.

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Al in PA

02-23-2004 06:19:26




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
I wish you luck. I truly hate GM ABS systems. The only way I can trust my brakes to work (2003 Silverado, '96 Express Van) is to pull the fuse under the dash. Unfortunately, the cruise control is on the same fuse, so I lose the only "luxury" feature that I enjoy. In my experience, ABS equals NO BRAKES. I have gone through too many intersections because GM's ABS would not work with all 210 of my pounds standing on the brake pedal: The final straw was when I barely missed a school bus after a spring shower while pulling my travel trailer! The trailer brakes worked, but they weren't robust enough to stop the Silverado too.

Sorry to vent. Anyway, if you find a way to disconnect the ABS and keep the cruise control please post a message detailing the process. If you replace the ABS module, I'll be praying for your safety.

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Hal/WA

02-23-2004 16:52:26




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 Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Al in PA, 02-23-2004 06:19:26  
I know what you mean! My introduction to ABS on a slick road was in a 91 Caprice. I was approaching the State Highway on a downslope (and before I had studded tires put on it) at about 20 mph. I was aware that it was very slick and had began slowing about 100 feet before the stop sign, which should have been a very conservative bit of driving for the location. I stepped on the brake pedal and it slowed down a little, but at 5 to 7 mph the car quit slowing down anymore at all and actually felt like it was accellerating . I instinctively pressed harder on the pedal and then much harder, but nothing happened. Finally I shifted it out of gear and steered for the shoulder of the highway. Luckily, no one was coming and I neither hit anyone or ditched the car, as I had momentarily considered. I later talked to the fleet mechanic and he said that was how the system seemed to work on all those cars. He said kicking it out of gear was what a driver needed to do under those circumstances, as then the ABS would allow the brakes to lock up or nearly lock up and the cars would stop. I told him that it would have been nice if someone would have instructed us about that problem before we encountered it, maybe the hard way. We found that I had actually bent the brake pedal a bit!

I never had it happen again after I got studded snow tires on the car, but when the opportunity came up to trade the Caprice for a Crown Victoria, I took the Ford. The only time I ever was aware of the ABS in the Ford was when I felt pulsation in the brake pedal while braking very hard.

I too have never had ABS on a vehicle I owned, and I really don't want it. It seems like something that adds a lot of complexity and expense to a vehicle. I do not think ABS is necessary, but it is fairly hard to find a recent model car or pickup without it.

Maybe ABS is OK, if it is working right, but in my personal experience, Ford really had a better idea than Chevy. And the scare I had would make me skeptical of buying a GM vehicle. One of the few things I DEMAND of a vehicle is that it stop when I ask it to.....

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ZANE

02-23-2004 06:17:23




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
This is the last paragraph in the explanation of how the ABS works. I have never had a vehicle with ABS and don't want it! If it ain't broke don't fix it is my motto!

"The anti-lock brake system tests itself every time the vehicle is started and every time the brakes are applied. The system evaluates its own signals. If a defect is detected, the system then turns off, leaving normal braking unaffected"

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souNdguy

02-23-2004 05:22:44




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
I wish you good luck.

I just replaced the ABS module on my 2000 GMC Yukon... was about an 800$ part...

Soundguy



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Rob N VA

02-23-2004 06:05:58




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 Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to souNdguy, 02-23-2004 05:22:44  
Thanks for the reply sounder! Is it something I could do myself? What is involved in the replacement? I looked at the unit under the truck, and it looks easily accesable. From what I have read, this is a fairly common problem for Chevy/GM trucks and SUV's; have you heard anything about a recall? I called the dealership and they told me no way. I am also having trouble with the fuel gauge, and the guy at the dealer told me that they replace them every day. It just looks like GM should own up to their mistakes and suck it up and have a recall. Of course, "should" and "will" are two differend words. Thanks for any advise!----Rob

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souNdguy

02-23-2004 06:28:12




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 06:05:58  
Funny you should mention fuel gauge as well.

( I didn't repair it myself.. shop did it.. as -some- of the work was covered under my extended warranty )

That ABS module I had replaced, well, at the same time, the fuel sending unit in the tank went out, as well as the engine computer.

Literally we were going down the road, and the engine quit.. dead.. no nothing... no cranking.. etc.. just like it had no battery..

Towed to the dealer. abs was bad, ecm was bad, and fuel sensor/sender was bad. All in one shot.. -bang- dead.

In all they replaced those three systems, and a wire harness, and an ignition fuse.. cost me 2100$.. An extended warranty covered about 2/3's of it.. no recals that I could find. Boy was I bummed out with GM that day... I feel that this was an electrical problem in one of the three involved systems.. and was a design defect.. that they should address. I've taked to others that have GMC's and had similar multi-system failures like this.

Soundguy

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Hey, Rob..John,PA

02-23-2004 06:19:45




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 06:05:58  
Just some humor..... ..

There is a lot of people who are making payments on inoperative systems that they paid for when they bought their newer vehicles. Maybe you should just make the light out on your ABS system and quit paying for it. CHEAPER.

Have the same sorta situation with my lady's Chrylser LeBaron that has broken "clock springs" in the steering wheel. She is only missing the air bag. Cost of part....$195.00. I just unhooked the system. Put the light out.

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02-23-2004 06:40:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Hey, Rob..John,PA, 02-23-2004 06:19:45  
Light bulbs that were designed to be on for only a short time and stay on tooooo long can heat up to much and burn-out the printed circuit boards of the newer instrument panels and associated systems.



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Vern-MI

02-23-2004 05:11:03




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 Re: O.T. Please explain this to me in reply to Rob N VA, 02-23-2004 04:25:13  
Try this link.



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