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Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limiter ch

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Rob

08-05-2004 12:58:58

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Especially if you attach the chains real low in the impliment.

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Dave OH

08-06-2004 22:49:39

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

I saw a setup for limiter chains on a tractor today that is quite unlike anything I have seen before. Any ideas about this? The person bolted a chain hook to each of the two "ears" with a hole that is on the differential (never did know what they were there for). He then a placed a chain hook on each lower lift arm bolt that attaches the solid (on left) and the adjustable (on right) links to the upper lift arm. Wish I had a camera to show this. Don't know if it works well or not but it is simple. I didn't like the hooks as it seems to me that a bump would throw the chains. But I did like the location for the conections.
Dave OH

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Rob

08-07-2004 03:26:50

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Dave OH, 08-06-2004 22:49:39

I believe I know what you're talking about.
I'm with you on those ears on the differential. Who knows what those are for.
Grab hooks are ok for holding chains, the cost a few dollars each though but then so can those 7/8" holes to otherwise mount chains on the pins. Like you say, each grab hook is another place the chain can jump out.

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Dell (WA)

08-07-2004 07:08:09

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-07-2004 03:26:50

Rob..... ..them ears on the diffy are for the jingle-jangle bars.

There is a folding 10 inchlong top-link pin (p/n 486A) that inserts from the leftside THRU the ears and a HOLLOW hydraulic rocker pin (p/n 486B) to hold the 11 hole drawbar at a constant height with the 2-part drawbar stays (p/n 5374/5)

The drawbar stays are necessary iff'n yer having to back a haywagon uphill into the barn, otherwize your 11 hole drawbar will lift the hydraulic 3-point linkage as you back-up. Nutter use for the drawbar stays was holding your sicklebar mower at a constant height.

Lotta times, you just let the bars dangle on the pin iff'n ya didn't need height control or the 11-hole bar. And the bars jingled-jangled as you drove over the ground.

The current 2-part adjustable stay-bars are designed to link directly to the hydraulic 3-point top-link pin. The under the diffy swinging drawbar is a better trailer pulling scheme..... .....Dell

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Rob

08-07-2004 10:05:49

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Dell (WA), 08-07-2004 07:08:09

Two big ol' ears for draw bar stays, huh? Must have been the biggest false start on the tractor. At one time, I did have the limiter chain dogs bolted there.

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Dave OH

08-19-2004 18:24:55

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-07-2004 10:05:49

Is there a reason you no longer have the limiter chains connected to the ears?
Dave OH

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Steve W (NY)

08-06-2004 05:36:18

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

Can't believe you use limiter chains. I guess my place is too variable. I am constantly adjusting my hog up (rocks) and down on my 2N with 5' hog.

I use sway bars and a "Zane Thang". The hog stays right at the level I set it at, and hooking it up is so much easier. I had the limiter chains on my scrap pile for a long time, but I just pilfered the chain for replacing some safety chains on my landscaping trailer.

Take Care
Steve

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Rob

08-06-2004 05:58:35

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Steve W (NY), 08-06-2004 05:36:18

There's a couple reasons I like the chains but I would use for no other reason then I don't ever have to start the blade while it's sitting in the dirt.

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Steve W (NY)

08-06-2004 09:21:44

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-06-2004 05:58:35

That is a problem. I am always careful to put mine down on a flat spot when done. .

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Steve

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souNdguy

08-05-2004 20:05:24

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

I've found that once I get my mower on the 3pt arms, I don't pin them.. I have 2 long landscape nails I slide in the hold to keep the arms from falling off, then I can lift the mower a tad on the 3pt.. and then push it over to one side while lifted, and then slide the sway bar on, pull the nail, then pin.. and then do the same with the other side. Takes about 2 minutes more.. and then I have a nice mower setup that won't swing that extra 2" into the fence when I'm mowing close and turn.. And believe me.. 2" will take a small 3-4 fence post out...

Soundguy

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Rob

08-06-2004 02:24:44

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to souNdguy, 08-05-2004 20:05:24

Lifting the mower some to install the arms...sounds like a good way to go. Looks like you could use the pins instead of nails though, what's that about?

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souNdguy

08-06-2004 11:10:35

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-06-2004 02:24:44

Lynch pins have that bail that flips over to secure them in... If I used a lynch pin to 'hold the arm on while lifting.. then I couldn't slide the stabilizer bar on.. the pin would be in the way. With the long nail, I simple lift it out of the hole.. and then slide the arm on. It still takes a good shove to slide the stabilizer arm.. I don't have enough hand dexterity to fumble with a lynch pin while holding the mower over.. the nain I can pull up with 2 fingers quickly.

Soundguy

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Rob

08-06-2004 11:19:10

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to souNdguy, 08-06-2004 11:10:35

Yeah, I just slip the pin in there without snapping the clip in place. I can jerk it out pretty easy. When everything is good to go I flip the clip.

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SteveB

08-05-2004 13:58:33

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

I stopped using a sway bar with my 6ft KK mower about 2 years ago. I find that it's MUCH easier to hook up the mower (or any other implement) without having to attach the sway bars, and the chains seem to do a very good job.

I made my chains, and they adjust at the top, under the seat. That allows me to raise an implement and set the chains with out getting off the tractor. Comes in very handy.

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Rob

08-05-2004 14:09:33

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to SteveB, 08-05-2004 13:58:33

I agree totally and that's my experience. I put the keyhole in my chain set-up so I can make adjustments.

I use a snap hooks on the tail-ends of the chain so I can fasten the end down good. My keyhole is a little shallow and the chain can come loose if the mower bounces. I generally have the tail-ends tighter than in this pic but it shows the set-up I use.

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Lugnut

08-05-2004 19:10:02

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 14:09:33

Rob, If you put a bungee between those two chains I think that they won't jump out of that shallow key slot when your mower bounces. (Took care of my problem) Lugnut

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Rob

08-06-2004 02:10:08

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Lugnut, 08-05-2004 19:10:02

That's good thinking. Thanks.

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( Pic ) Ken N Tx

08-05-2004 13:36:57

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Chains/With Sway Bars in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

The owner of this setup uses sway bars!!

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Rob

08-05-2004 13:40:51

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Re: Chains/With Sway Bars in reply to ( Pic ) Ken N Tx, 08-05-2004 13:36:57

His chain would slide in the clevis and not prevent the side-to-side.
That's quite a set-up there.

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mike in mo

08-05-2004 19:44:38

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Re: Chains/With Sway Bars in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 13:40:51

yea with no top link i hear thats a big no no

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Rob

08-06-2004 02:20:26

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Re: Chains/With Sway Bars in reply to mike in mo, 08-05-2004 19:44:38

Lot of guys don't like the idea of doing without a toplink. The pic shows a chain for a toplink, he can still lift his hog clear off the ground. The mower manuals I've seen show a flexable toplink and that is a good idea so the mower can follow the terrain regardless of what the tractor is doing.
I stopped using a rigid toplink and I did a lot less scalping and the mower didn't raise up when the front wheels of the tractor drop. I like that.
I see the highway guys don't use 3pt on their mowers at all. They tow them. That's what I do now. I never raised my mower off the ground anyway. I just use the hydraulics to raise the height in tough going otherwise I trailer the mower. Works good for me.
Oh yeah, the manuals I checked...not one said anything about the toplink required for safety sake. I never bought that anyway, that little thing isn't going to prevent a roll-over.
I do know it's a lot easier to get to the pto to hook up without that 3pt rigging in the way.

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Pete

08-05-2004 13:31:14

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 12:58:58

Don't think I quite agree.
Limiter chains keep implement from going down beyond the set length but they don't do much to prevent "sway". They help a little- but if implement wants to swing to the side with enough force, it will simply force the lift arms up far enough to get a bit of slack, and then "sway".
Five hundred pound bush hog in a sharp turn on a bumpy field convinced me long ago.

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Rob

08-05-2004 13:43:24

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Pete, 08-05-2004 13:31:14

Your right that chains won't stop a mower from bouncing. You gotta stop hot-rodding that dang Ford!

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Russ

08-05-2004 15:22:00

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Rob, 08-05-2004 13:43:24

Sway over there; You can bush hog in 4th gear with an 8N if the blades/flails are extremely sharp. Problem is you gotta make a turn at some point and then the sway will show up big time.
Better to run in 1st or 2nd and make it to the supper table.

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Rob

08-05-2004 15:28:21

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Re: Ya' know, you don't need sway bars with limite in reply to Russ, 08-05-2004 15:22:00

I'm with you on that. The wear and tear on the equipment means something too.
I've proven I can tear up dang near anything by pushing too hard. Machines are like that you know, they typically have the power to tear themselves apart in short order.

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