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2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons

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Rob

09-16-2004 16:26:24




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Ok, let me run this by you engine rebuilders.
This engine has cast iron sleeves and with the ridge removed and the scoring honed out the bore is 3.226" tops. The bore spec from the FO-4 says 3.1875-3.1885" so the honed bore should be good for the .040" o/s pistons.
Is this a doable deal or what?




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Gaspump

09-16-2004 16:37:37




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 Re: 2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons in reply to Rob, 09-16-2004 16:26:24  
Let the machine shop that is doing the work assist with your decision. If it were me I likely would purchase new sleeve, piston and ring kits, might even cost less in kit form than what you pay for the OS pistons and rings and boring of the sleeves. If you are looking for horsepower increases from .040 over you will never notice it over a stock bored engine.



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Rob

09-16-2004 17:07:57




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 Re: 2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons in reply to Gaspump, 09-16-2004 16:37:37  
They are already the right size; right at .040" over. Doesn't take any boring. They are honed even. That's what I'm talking about.
O/S pistons and rings are about $50 less than a 3-ring sleeve and piston set and you end up with 4-ring, chrome top and steel oil. And, no messing with pulling the sleeves.



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GregKS

09-16-2004 18:28:38




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 Re: 2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons in reply to Rob, 09-16-2004 17:07:57  
Rob,
They might mic 3.226" in places but I bet they don't everywhere. In other words I'll bet the bore is not round. They do tend to elongate side to side. Of course, it's your $ and engine. Also, the general concensus is the 4 ringers are not as desirable as the 3 ringers. Your call.



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Dean

09-17-2004 06:33:07




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 Re: 2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons in reply to GregKS, 09-16-2004 18:28:38  
Any thoughts on why the 3-ring pistons would be better than the 4-ring pistons?

Also: Majored a 51 8N about 10 years ago. Engine was blowing lots of 40 wt oil out of the breather and fouling plugs. Engine had domed pistons in it. Replaced with new sleeves and flat-top pistons. Fixed oil usage and plug fouling problems but engine had little or no more power after complete major overhaul than before. Those domed pistons are wonderful. Anyone know if domed pistons are still available anywhere?

Dean

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Dell (WA)

09-17-2004 09:44:54




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 Re: 2N cylinder .040 o/s pistons in reply to Dean, 09-17-2004 06:33:07  
Dean..... ...the original thinking behind the 4-ring pistons, was that the lower 2nd oilring would reduce oil consumption. Yep, it did it so well that the other rings starved for oil and the cylinder wall wore faster'n he!!. You do know that its the engine oil behind the rings that provides the final seal, don't you? Modern 3-ring piston design with improved metalurgy and ring design give longer wear and reduced friction for improved economy of operation.

And NO, I don't know of any "domed" N-Tractor pistons available, but you can always have specialized "hot-rod" pop-up pistons made to your specifications $$$ You need to specify bore, stroke, deck height, piston pin diameter and then don't get carried away on high compression 'cuz there ain't much room above the piston before it knocks the cylinderhead.

As for why you think you have less power with 3-rings after your overhaul, I have NO IDEA but with 6.5:1 CR and 26hp PTO (90 psi compression min dry) I wouldn't expect much noticeable power increase.

Iff'n you still have power issues, find a tractor dealer that has a PTO horsepower brake and have the PTO hp measured right on the tractor$$$$. Big diesel tractor repair outfits do it all the time to adjust the diesel fuel pump..... ....Dell

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