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BDC

09-24-2004 14:54:53




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Just found more information on the tractor that I thought was a 1953 but really is a 51. The reduction gear thatI spoke of is on the right side of the transmission behind where your foot pedels are,not above your right toe like the sherman and the other style that was mentioned. On the base plate of the reduction gear lever there are the words East Horndon Essex England, would appreciate any info on this particular type gear and if the tractor needs to be broke in halve to work on or if I can go through the top or side plates to repair. Thanks BDC

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Dell (WA)

09-24-2004 17:02:54




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 Re: 1951 8n aux gearbox in reply to BDC, 09-24-2004 14:54:53  
BDC..... ...ah-ha, you have just described the location of the shifter lever in the 6" round dipstick plate behind your right heel for the rare and fragle "Howard" aux tranny. Made by the same English Company that made the rear PTO mounted "Howard RotoVator".

It mounts between the N-Tractor's Main tranny output and the differential input. (normally about a 9" hollow inside splined driveshaft) It is an "open-frame" gearbox of about 3.5 to 1 reduction and slows down the tractors groundspeed to allow the rototiller blades to beat-up the ground into a fluffy tilth. Without this slower groundspeed, the rototiller just doesn't work behind the N-Tractor in any gear including the more common Sherman aux 3-speed tranny box.

And yes, yer previous description of grinding gears is consistant with a failed "Howard" aux tranny. And NO, I know of NO REPAIR PARTS and neather does the "Howard" Company which has moved to Australia. (former English colony)

To service your "Howard" gearbox, you'll still haffta "split" yer tractor, this time at the flange between the main gearbox and the hydraulic differential case. The hollow splined coupler p/n 9N-4605 is usually available used.

Iff'n your really curious, do an archive search, N-Board contributor "Willie N" has posted pictures of one of his Howard gearboxes he sold on E-Bay.

FYI.....In 1997, just after this great N-Board started, some fellow in Oregon was trying to get people interested in making a "modern CNC" version of the infamous "Howard" gearbox with improved metalurgy and bearings and gears. There was some interest, but the start-up costs were prohibitive. (and he was in the gearbox business)..... ....Dell

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John IL

09-24-2004 23:27:15




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 Re: 1951 8n aux gearbox in reply to Dell (WA), 09-24-2004 17:02:54  
Dell,
What is "prohibitive"? There are lots of questions every spring about rototillers. How much would a NEW Howard cost?

John, Always looking for something new for my N.



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Dell (WA)

09-25-2004 01:23:56




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 Re: 1951 8n aux gearbox in reply to John IL, 09-24-2004 23:27:15  
John..... ...I was kinda new on the N-Board and the N-Board was only 6 mos old or so and I missed the start of the ORIGINAL search for "venture capitol". And I didn't archive anything 'cuz I wasn't interested, let alone the guys name in Oregon. But essentially it was something like $10,000 for the 1st gearbox; $1,000 for the next 10 gearboxs; and $500 (ea) for production run of 100 boxes. Thats $50,000 in inventory and only 6 people interested, I think he wanted firm commitment (sales) for 10 boxes. Well with the more availablility of the net today, he probably could have sold out his production run on ebay (grin).

All CNC machinery, modern metalurgy, bearings. I think the guy was in the wheeled irrigation business or he might have been in some aerospace subcontractor and knew gearboxes.

And just so you know what the guy was dealing with, check the link for pictures of the "rare and fragle" Howard Aux Tranny..... ...Dell

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John IL

09-25-2004 05:56:33




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 Re: 1951 8n aux gearbox in reply to Dell (WA), 09-25-2004 01:23:56  
Ouch! That's a little too rich for my taste. It's a shame that the price is so high. I don't have any use for a rototiller, but from the number of spring time questions here on the board, it sounds like lots of other guys would like to get their hands on one. Thanks for the information.

John



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