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Ernest T Bass

10-02-2004 08:58:37




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Hello, I am desperately in need of help. I must start from the begining: I was replacing the seal on the PTO, I removed the 4 bolts and the shaft came out with no problem. I R/R the seal with no problem. When I was trying to put the shaft back in it would not go in, no matter what I did, it would start but not go in. I could see straight in and saw not obstructions or any reason as to why it should not go in. I finally took a hammer and drove it in. I believe now that the PTO lever must have been or moved down. Now the tractor PTO lever will not budge and it will not shift into gear. I realize I must have damaged something but where do I start on getting the shaft out now. It will not come out.

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souNdguy

10-02-2004 22:31:25




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 Re: Help with PTO in reply to Ernest T Bass, 10-02-2004 08:58:37  
I'm with Rob.. hide the hammer when you get ready to put the machine back together.

Chances are there was no twist int he shaft if it slid out fine. All you probably had to do was turn it a tad when installing it if the pump wasn't lined up.. other ide that comes to mind was that the pto dog/collar wasn't lined up... and now needs replaced, possibly along with the shaft.

good luck.

Take a loot at the exploded parts diagram for the rear and you should get a good ide of just what the pto shaft engages and rides in/on. Thos are the areas to check. If the pto lever doesn't move.. I'd check that FIRST.

Soundguy

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Joe (IN)

10-02-2004 09:38:54




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 Re: Help with PTO in reply to Ernest T Bass, 10-02-2004 08:58:37  
That's not good, Ernest. Only once have I driven a PTO shaft in with a hammer and that was an emergeny bearing change on a shaft that I literally had to pry out a 1/4" at a time because the splines had a hint of a twist. I wouldn't have even done it then except I was in a bind and had to have the machine RIGHT THEN or risk being charged back for finishing a job late. Every other one has slipped right out and right back in with never any more than a bit of a jiggle. If'n I were you, I'd start by draining the oil, pulling both inspection covers, and having a look around for obvious damage. After that, follow Rob's advice about loosening the pump up a little. If you canit get a prybar under the mounting flange to pry it back out and loosening the pump doesn't help, you're going to have to split the machine and figure out what got boogered up. Most likely damaged the PTO shifter sleeve.

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Dean

10-02-2004 15:06:08




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 Re: Help with PTO in reply to Joe (IN), 10-02-2004 09:38:54  
Not quite sure just what you damaged by driving the PTO shaft in but I can tell you how to get it out without splitting the tractor.

15-20 years ago the original PTO shaft on my 51 8N with 3-speed Sherman (3-speed PTO) broke off just outside of the tractor. I was unable to remove the shaft even though I used a slide hammer puller. Turns out the shaft was imperceptively twisted due to heavy use with heavy duty cutter in LO PTO. Could not perceive the twist even after removing the lift cover but it was there and it does not take much to prevent the shaft from sliding through the pump collar.

Remove the lift cover and the transmission cover. Drain the oil. Cover all exsposed machined surfaces with metal (tin cans work well) and/or thick and wet cotton cloth. Cut the PTO shaft off on both sides of the pump (not too close to the pump) with a cutting torch. Remove the pump with the segment of PTO shaft therein. The rest of the PTO assembly will be easily removed from the rear. Grind the cut-off PTO shaft to a taper such that all damaged surfaces resulting from the cut-off are removed. If the shaft is twisted as was mine, you will need to drive it out of the pump. It is surprising what the aluminum frame pump assembly will tolerate if properly supported. In your case, the new shaft should not be twisted and should slide out easily.

Dispose of the hammer after driving the PTO shaft from the pump.

Of course you should check the pump for damage. In my case, I spent about an hour driving the twisted PTO shaft out of the pump using a 12 pound sledge with the pump supported on an Osage Orange block. I took the pump apart expecting to find extensive damage but found none. Reassembled it with no new parts and it still works like new 15-20 years later. Be sure to support the pump uniformly.

Good luck.

Dean

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Rob

10-02-2004 09:11:57




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 Re: Help with PTO in reply to Ernest T Bass, 10-02-2004 08:58:37  
First thing, go give that hammer to your wife and tell her to hide it until the tractor is running again.
Second thing, loosen all the pump mounting bolts on the bottom of the tractor about one turn so the pump can move side to side some. There are nine or so mounting bolts. I"m figuring you already drained the fluid; if not do it now.
You may have to borrow that hammer for just a bit to rap on the side of the pump mounting flange all around maybe a few times to break the gasket seal so the pump is free to center itself on the shaft.
If that doesn"t work maybe you should remove the lift cover so you can wade in there and figure out how to undo what you did with that bad boy hammer.

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ernest t bass

10-02-2004 09:41:27




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 Re: Help with PTO in reply to Rob, 10-02-2004 09:11:57  
Thanks what would I do with out ya'll.



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Rob

10-02-2004 10:00:22




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 Put the tranny in neutral too. in reply to ernest t bass, 10-02-2004 09:41:27  



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