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Sorta OT-small scale farming

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Rob N Va

12-15-2004 10:45:42




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Hello, I have 12 acres of mostly fenced in pasture in Virginia and would like to farm it out somehow. I am a city slicker in the country, and the only equipment I have is a 1950 8n (sidemount). I currently have egg producing ducks, which are fun, but not very profitable. Do you fellas have any ideas as to what I could do with the land that might make me a few extra dollars? Thanks!!---Rob




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tim[in]

12-17-2004 14:54:27




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
look for some books by joel salatin . he is an good source of info on selling direct to consumers and making money on 'thinking outside the box'. you might consider bedding plants,etc. people who will whine at the cost of produce wont hesitate to spend a small fortune on flowers. fresh cut or otherwise.



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DaveIN

12-16-2004 07:38:07




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
You should realy consider raising Alpacas. They are easy to take care of. They are easy on pastures. They all use communal dung piles. They graze mostly on pasture and need little suppliment. The Alpacas I've been around have great personalities. They just to me seem like the small farm business that makes most sense to me if you really want to suppliment your income. Dave



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SteveB(wi)

12-16-2004 07:06:40




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
Raise pheasants and sell them to bird dog trainers and others who plant and shot. We pay $12-15 a bird to plant and shoot when working the dogs in the off season.



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valhallareject

12-15-2004 15:58:31




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
I have no idea how we wound up with them, but my grandmother used to have a flock of flightless Canadian geese....at least that what we always called 'em. All I know for sure was....they weren't cows! Anyway.....we had one of those corn kernel removers you are talking about and, since we didn't (or couldn't) grow any corn we would walk along behind the corn picker and pick up the ears that came out the back end of the machine with the chaff in the neighbors fields. He didn't mind a bit.....as long as we got em all and didn't leave any behind to get hung up in his equipment the following year. Seems like we always had plenty of dried corn for the geese anyway. Other then that I guess all those geese lived on was insects and whatever they could muscle in on when we fed the chickens. About all we ever did with them was pluck 'em for down to make feather guilts which was always a fun time. Cattle rodeos can kill ya.....but goose rodeos will maime ya for life!! Now I don't know if you've ever tried to pluck a goose before.....but they don't seem to like it much....in fact....seems to me if they had their way.....they wouldn't even participate. And I have no idea who came up with the proper way to hold a goose while pluckin her....but I sorely....and I do mean sorely think he was a eunich! Its one of those things you learn quickly....but never quite quick enough! We made pretty good money on whatever down we had left over....not that we ever had much....but it at least paid for the doctor bills incurred from collecting it! I don't know to this day what happened to that flock of geese..... before my grandmother died they had just sorta turned 'em out into the pasture and you'd run into once in a while rounding up....and they'd attack you and squack at ya and flap their wings and make all kind of hissing and honking sounds....but once they were sure you weren't after them they'd go their own seperate way. Always amazed me how they survived out there with the coyotes and foxes and other predators but they did. Damn tough old birds. Sorta figures.....most places have problems with feral hogs..... or feral dogs..... we have to have a problem with feral geese!!! How embarassing! hehehe....

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Leemo

12-15-2004 13:59:53




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
One of my neighbors was making a good profit on his small acreage place. Apparently his cash crop was noticed by the police though and he's not farming any more. Nevermind....bad idea !! :)
Later, Lee



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Mike G - 8N300465

12-15-2004 12:49:34




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 Rob and Bruce in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
Where are Ya'll in Virginia? I am in Somerset in Orange County.



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Rob N VA

12-15-2004 15:00:22




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 Re: Rob and Bruce in reply to Mike G - 8N300465, 12-15-2004 12:49:34  
I am in Scottsville. 20 miles south of Charlottesville. I am 2.2 miles from the James River. I drive to C'ville every day to work at UVA.



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Bruce (VA)

12-15-2004 13:10:52




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 Re: Rob and Bruce in reply to Mike G - 8N300465, 12-15-2004 12:49:34  
Old Church, Hanover Co. Do you know Sam & June Funkhouser in Somerset?



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Mike G- 8N300465

12-17-2004 10:17:22




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 Re: Rob and Bruce in reply to Bruce (VA), 12-15-2004 13:10:52  

Those fine Folks are my nieghbors and I mean right across the fence kind of nieghbors.



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Jonny

12-15-2004 12:00:31




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
I have some ducks too; 16 Khaki Campbell females that are high producers. We sell them at a farmers' market during the summer and crafters during the winter. They are a lot of work and we have considered selling them.

I would suggest you consider market gardening. Check out local farmers' markets to see what opportunities there are. Some are hard to get into, but it is a good way to get a handle on what sells and what doesn't. My wife and I have done most of our sales through a farmers' market and some through my weekday job, and some roadside. We grossed over $12,000 this past season on just over 1/3 of an acre. With your acreage you could start small to get a feel of it and expand as you get into it.

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souNdguy

12-15-2004 11:28:42




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
I think you are already on the right track.. go fowl! As the other poster stated.. find a niche market and go for it.. don't try to get too broad. For instance.. organic egg and fowl sell for more than run of the mill eggs and chix. The meat part of it will be more work than simple egg harvesting though.. however if you pick the correct bird.. you can get better market usage. For instance.. right now I'm raising a small flock of royal palm turkey. It's an uncommon turkey.. but grows about as big as a bronze turkey, and has tender white meat. Once in a blue moon you will find a feed store selling chicks and juvenile pulits.. the chicks go around 4-6 bucks.. and the juve's go for 16-20. Compair that to the run of the mill sexlink or rhode isle red at a dollar to a dollar and a quarter a chick. Ducks are a couple bucks per chick.

I've got a few ducks for 'fun'.. but don't enjoy their eggs.. too strong. Sort of like a goose egg. ( or turkey ) however if I lived in an area that needed duck eggs.. I'd be set.. my ducks pop out eggs like no tomorrow.

As for the chickens, I started with 2 hens about 3 years ago, and thru breeding and trading now have 5 laying hens with two more birds in the juve stage that I havn't figured out what they are. Twice now I have had animal attack problems that has decimated my flock. I now have constucted much heavier and better protected pens, including electric wire on the outsides to discourage the fox/raccoons that raided my chix and turkey pens in the previous years. . Along with that I have a few rooster pens. I keep the biggest, or best looking, or most virile roosters for breeding. Currently that is a big RR for the medium-large chix pen, and a banty in the small-medium pen. I have a nice leghorn and game cock also set aside for future useage.

I get an egg a day per hen. I get a variety from very large to small.. everything from dark brown to light greens and beigh, and one drops an almond color. Small eggs are great for halfing recipies that require one egg..

As soon as i get a few more hens up and running.. I would have enough to do a decent side egg business. Right now neighbors and family are using my eggs, as well as some giveaways here and there. So far, I'm not at a break even stage for the birds as a whole, as the turkies and ducks are not income producers yet.. all they do is eat. The chix by themselves more than pay for their feed, if you counted it seperately.

The bigger the pens.. the happier the animals will be. Provide protection from digging animals, and from animals that are strong enough to go thru light fencing. I found chicken wire was not possible if you have preditors. I went with big chain link dog kennels with my later pens.. and some earlier ones are made from 16'x5' heavy welded horse panels ( 2x4 spacing ) stuf has to be cut with bolt cutters, and is rigid, and tough enough to contain horses, hogs, dogs, and other pests.

I cover the tops with sun shade or geotechnical webbing similar to what averies use.. has 1"x1" holes.. but keeps birds of prey out.

The larger tall pens also have some built in safety and comfort. Chickens like to roost off ground. With a stand up sized pen, you can put a couple of different spaced roosts that the chix can fly or 'ladder' to, and if a predator does get in.. the average fox or raccon won't be able to get any roosted birds that are roosting 5-6' off the ground, and can just kill setting birds or clean out egg boxes.

Can also do closed coops or chicken houses. And yes.. chickens CAN be tought to go in at night anf come out inthe morning. Just get them used to your feeding habbits. If the area is big enough.. they are great foragers.. cuts donw on the feed bill.. especially in grashopper season.

calcium, corn, scratch grains and feed are the staple. though vegie scraps are appreciated. If you run your operation correctly and don't use hormone laden food, or feed containing animal products, and don't mass medicate the birds to increase production, you can get organic and/or free range certified.

I think running a small animal production would be much easier than say... haying a specialty crop.

I havn't eaten a store bought egg in years.

Chicken are more or less easy to work with.. not like cattle or hog or goats that are hard on the fences, or require very specialized or expensive treatments, vaccinations and attention.

Keep extra empty pens that you can use for isolation for sick or convalescing birds. You'll find it is an art when introducing new birds to existing flocks..

have fun.

This is just my take.. I'm sure you will get a ton of responses for good ideas!

Soundguy

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tim in pa

12-15-2004 12:44:16




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to souNdguy, 12-15-2004 11:28:42  
mr soundguy gave good advice. we have between 8 and 12 hens at a time. here in pa (without auxillary lighting) they lay 1 egg per day until winter, then cut back. we got rid of roosters to avoit fertilized eggs, don't want to sell them. free ranging is real good to supplement food, except garden time, unless it is fenced in.
golden comets are the best brown egg layers we have had yet. big.
hth

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souNdguy

12-15-2004 13:07:21




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to tim in pa, 12-15-2004 12:44:16  
How well are those comets compaired to rhode isle' reds, and sexlinks.

So far brown sexlinks have been our best chickens.. medium to large eggs, good mentality.. not to skittish.. and a medium to large sized bird .. not good setters though when it comes time to expand the flock.

I've got a white cochin that will set anybodies eggs unless you bother her.

Got some rhode isle red and sexlink mix's coming up right now.. not sure if i've got hens or not.

Yep.. mostly our roosters are seperate penned unless we are breeding. Course one pen we keep a rooster in.. but we keep those eggs. small little dot don't bother me at all!

Soundguy

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tim in pa

12-16-2004 08:05:40




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to souNdguy, 12-15-2004 13:07:21  
golden comets eggs are good sized, sometimes can't close the egg carton on them.



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Bill in WI

12-15-2004 11:42:41




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to souNdguy, 12-15-2004 11:28:42  
Hey souNdguy,

We used to get our eggs from a gal at work here that used to have productive hens. We used to get at least one, and sometimes a couple double yolkers in each dozen. Have you seen this as a common occurrence, or were there some other factors that contribute to this? We rarely if ever see it in the store bought ones we are now buying.



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souNdguy

12-15-2004 12:00:00




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Bill in WI, 12-15-2004 11:42:41  
I've got one hen that almost always throws a double yolk.. and one that occasionally throws a double yolk.

I'd guess it is 'uncommon'.

Soundguy



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Bruce (VA)

12-15-2004 10:54:16




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 Re: Sorta OT-small scale farming in reply to Rob N Va, 12-15-2004 10:45:42  
Depends on where you are and how much you want to work. Check w/ the VPI Extension Agent for speciality crops & the local market. Everyone loves "organic" these days, so anytime you can attach that label to what I call a "cult veggie" you can make some bucks. But beware.....the tobacco buy-out in VA is going to have a lot of real farmers looking for work. Even though you might have a market now for grape tomatoes, habernaro peppers, etc, it might disappear over night.

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