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cjm

03-19-2005 19:22:10




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i have an 8n 1952. steers real easy to right, but hard to turn to left. whats the problem?. also, where is the lube plug on it? the earlier discussion on the lube plug totally confused me. i don't see any filler hole on either side.




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Rob

03-20-2005 17:37:55




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 My '51 8N acted like that. in reply to cjm, 03-19-2005 19:22:10  
I adjusted the steering gear and it didn"t do that any more. Steers both ways easy one-handed behind my back now.

The FO-4 has a routing to go through that checks the wormshaft end play and bearings but you can adjust the sector shaft this way. Set the wheels straight ahead, drop the drag links off the steering gear arms, loosen both adjusting screw locknuts, and back out the right side adjusting screw several turns. Then, turn the left side screw CW until there is no no end play in the sector shaft the right steering arm is hooked to. Hold the adjusting screw and tighten the lock nut. Turn the right side adjusting screw until there is no end play in the left side shaft. Hold the adjusting screw and tighten the lock nut, put on the drag links, and you"re good to go.

I have lube the box since then. I guess you"re suppose to do that before you adjust the gear.

All this is in the FO-4 w/pics.

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ZANE

03-20-2005 05:09:30




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 Re: steering problems in reply to cjm, 03-19-2005 19:22:10  
Your main problem is not where the fill plug is but how to install a new upper sector thrust bearing. These Ford tractor steering sectors have a built in flaw in that the top thrust bearing is never oiled unless the box is overfull and the top thrust bearing is the first thing to go. Once the bearing is run without lubrication for long enough no amount of lubrication is going to fix it so it steers good to the left again. It is going to have to be replaced. STEERING SECTOR REPAIR

The steering sector shaft bearings are gone bad along with the one you can see on top. The one on top under the steering wheel is not the one that is causing it to be hard to turn however. There are two bearings on the sector shaft itself. One at the bottom of the sector and one at the top of the sector. This is the part that is in the steering box that moves the two pitman gears that move the two pitman shafts that move the tie rods.

You will have to remove the steering wheel. Then the hood. Then the battery box and the steering box and dash support along with all the wires etc that may keep you from being able to pull the dash from the steering sector assembly.

It is best to take the steering box completely off the tractor so that it can be cleaned good and be sure that all the old broken bearing parts are removed from the housing. Replace both the bearings and the bearing cones. Don’t let anybody sell you on using the Nylon replacement bearings. They are no good and it will still take both hands to turn the thing after you re assemble it if you use them. Use only the ones made of steel that are designed for the Ford steering sectors.

When you re assemble the assembly you should fill the whole sector with grease and not oil. The top bearing will always be the one that fails because it never gets any lubrication if it is filled with oil. The filler hole in the steering should have been above the bearing for it to have been awash in oil all the time like the bottom bearing is.

You can drill a small hole in the sector shaft housing just under the steering wheel hub and pour oil into the sector and onto the top bearing if you think it is necessary. Pouring oil down the hollow shaft will not put oil on anything but the hollow shaft as it is not open at the bottom.

If you don’t take the two pitman gears out of the sector you won’t have to worry about timing them. If you do remove one or both you will have to be sure that they are properly timed to one another upon re assembly.

The sector gear must also be timed to the pitman gears. If you play with it and observer the relationship of the gears you can get it back in time before you put the sector shaft cover back on top and torque it down. Be sure to check it for proper timing before you put it all back together on the tractor.
Zane

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SteveB(wi)

03-19-2005 21:33:38




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 Re: steering problems in reply to cjm, 03-19-2005 19:22:10  
Here is the Smiths explanation with photos



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Dell (WA)

03-19-2005 19:34:40




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 Re: steering problems in reply to cjm, 03-19-2005 19:22:10  
cjm..... ...no you won't find the late model 8N steering gearbox fill'em-up because it is HIDDENED at the BOTTOM of the sheetmetal attach bolt directly behind the proofmeter. You doubt? Remove the bolt and probe with a "J-hook" made outta bailin' wire. I use 140wt outboard motor lower-unit hd-oil that comes in a pointed plastic squeeze'm tube. Fill until it runs back out. Others like the heavy sticky corn-head oil for John Deere combines. Use ennythang that you can gitt to flow into the secret fillem-up..... .....respectfully, Dell who is CORRECT this time.

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Willy Shoemaker

03-19-2005 23:23:38




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-19-2005 19:34:40  
Bruce R is correct. In 1952, starting with serial number 452913, the filler plug location was changed to the front side of cover and steering tube assembly. That would be a 1/4"-28 fillister head screw located on the front side of the steering tube between the steering wheel and the instrument panel. You doubt?....John Smith doesn't....look here:

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That's what my service bulletin says.

Willy S

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Bruce R

03-19-2005 20:00:23




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-19-2005 19:34:40  
I think you might be wrong again (Kind'a)..... ...In 1952, starting with serial number 452913, the filler plug location was changed to the front side of cover and steering tube assembly.

So it looks like maybe 1/2 the 52 8n's are filled like you said but not all.



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Dell (WA)

03-19-2005 20:30:26




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Bruce R, 03-19-2005 20:00:23  
Bruce..... ...I've been reliably told that ALL the later 8N (post 216xxx) steering gearboxes have the same secret hidey fill'em-up bolthole. Its just that Ford planners/engineers couldn't gitt the General Motors Saganaw Gearworks to make the original hidden behind the dash panel fill'em-up plug in steering column eazy to gitt-too. So Ford lett a service bulletin out with information about the bolthole having bottom feedthru for fillin the steering gearbox with oil. This would make sense from a manufacturing standpoint, never having to change machinery set-up just to make/notmake a fill'em-up in the gearbox. I stand by my advice, you doubt? check'em with a "J-hook" made outta baling wire..... .....respectfully, Dell

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Bruce R

03-20-2005 07:23:05




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-19-2005 20:30:26  
Once again, I'm not understanding your back pedeling??? I think the deal is: Some later gear boxes "ALSO" have the new and improved filler hole in the steering tube "ALONG" with your "secret hidey fill'em-up bolthole"
Agree???
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Willy Shoemaker

03-20-2005 10:31:12




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 Bruce R...you are correct. in reply to Bruce R, 03-20-2005 07:23:05  
In 1952, starting with serial number 452913, the filler plug location was changed to the front side of cover and steering tube assembly, which is the front side of the steering column between the dash & steering wheel (8N-3509-B). You could add lube from there. This let the oil again flow over the upper thrust bearing kinda like it did on the early steering boxes which could also be filled after taking off the nut that holds the steering wheel and adding lube there. Here's a copy of the "service letter" for the newest lube plug on the newer style gearboxes.


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HTH, Willy S.

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Dell (WA)

03-20-2005 09:33:14




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Bruce R, 03-20-2005 07:23:05  
Bruce..... ..ya still trying to gitt yer jollies, huh? NO, I am NOT back pedaling.

I have a copy of a Ford Service bulletin dated in Mar? 1950 that describes the discontinuance of the behind the dash panel steering tube fill'em-up plug. And advises hence forth ALL late model 8N steering gearboxes (post 216xxx) be filled by using the secret bottom of the righthand sheetmetal attach bolt hole fill'em-up..... ...respectfully, Dell

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uh..............Bruce

03-20-2005 10:22:47




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-20-2005 09:33:14  
I'm not understanding why you can't see what I'm saying. I am "NOT" disputing what you are saying about the Ford Service bulletin that describes the discontinuance of the behind the dash panel steering tube fill'em-up plug. And advises hence forth ALL late model 8N steering gearboxes (post 216xxx) be filled by using the secret bottom of the righthand sheetmetal attach bolt hole fill'em-up, what I'm saying that you refuse to confirm is that Ford added "ANOTHER" fill hole on the steering tube in 1952ish for filling the said gear box. Bruce

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Dell (WA)

03-20-2005 12:38:07




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 Re: steering problems in reply to uh..............Bruce, 03-20-2005 10:22:47  
Bruce..... ...I don't deny that Ford may have added an eazier to gitt-too late 8N steering gearbox fill'em-up screw in the upper section of the steering column tube. I just can't confirm it like you demand 'cuz I ain't nebber seen'un. And while the N-Ford MPC shows a screw in the upper steering column, I've found parts drawings "lie" in that they are distorted for clarity..... ....respectfully, Dell

Hows yer jollies now?

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uh, sorry..... Bruce

03-20-2005 13:38:24




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-20-2005 12:38:07  
Should of said I have seen 3 8N gear boxes with the said filler plug in steering shaft tube, 2 where on tractors and the 3rd was on a salvaged steering box. I'm sorry you seem to be so bitter about the "Correct" info, just trying to set the record straight.
No jollies here!
HTH
Bruce



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uh...Willy Shoemaker

03-20-2005 10:04:07




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-20-2005 09:33:14  
The date of the "service letter" was April 20, 1951. But you were close. (Grin)

Here's a pic of the infamous hard-to-get-to 1/8" pipe plug on the upper left side of the box hidden under the dash suport bracket:

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So in April of 1951 the "service letter" said that plug will be discontinued, filled up with metal and now you could use...you ready for this?....the new cap screw location pictured here:

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This is a much easier to-get-to filler plug. Here's a copy of what the "service letter" said:


LETTER No. 1-T-5
PAGE No. 1
DATE April 20, 1951

STEERING OIL FILLER PLUG 8N TRACTOR

The oil filler plug on the new steering assembly (8N 3503 B) has been discontinued in production. The hole is filled with metal, completely sealing it. Consequently, it is necessary to use the cap screw on the right hand side, which secures the instrument panel support to the steering housing, when putting lubricant into the steering assembly. The housing should always be filled to the level of the cap screw hole to insure that the top bearing (8N-3571), receives lubrication.

It is recommended that multipurpose S.A.E. 90 gear lubricant be used to fill the steering assembly when the level falls below the cap screw.

HTH,
Willy S.

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very good . . . Dell (WA)

03-20-2005 12:46:56




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 Re: steering problems in reply to uh...Willy Shoemaker, 03-20-2005 10:04:07  
Willie..... ....yer very good at finding that N-Ford service bulletin. And YES, you've proved yer point. I wasn't wrong, you just have more up-to-date information than I have. I am NOT a N-Ford trained parts mechanic but I do know how to read manuals. I will note in my N-Ford MPC, the upper column fill'em-up screw effectivetivity s/n 452xxx. Thank you for your research..... ...respectfully, Dell

Did ya gittchur jollies?

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souNdguy

03-19-2005 21:50:19




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-19-2005 20:30:26  
To verify that.. my 52 8n is # 504580 has the lower reverse gear, and the side hole like Dell talks about.. behind the tach.. etc.

Soundguy



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cjm

03-19-2005 19:56:14




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 Re: steering problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-19-2005 19:34:40  
yes sir, it was hiding right in front of me...thanks.



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Castorriver

03-19-2005 19:31:26




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 Re: steering problems in reply to cjm, 03-19-2005 19:22:10  
On the previous post, the first picture was of an early 8N steering box which is totally different from yours, so that may be why you are confused. I have the early box so I can't help with location on the '52 filler plug. Castor.



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